[Stoves] Haiti: GACC 3; LPG and TLUDs

[Traveller]

Paul:

My apologies. I did read about the Deganga project a couple of months back
and wrote that I was impressed (or something like that; sorry if I didn't).

If it were for me to allocate more funds for the marketing and adoption of
TLUD stoves, I would extend the Deganga project to many other communities
in that region and in different parts of the world. I am not a stove
designer and I don't know how Deganga cooks use the stove, but that can be
examined in due time.

There is a case for a chance; the question is, who will give that chance.
Government subsidy decisions are not necessarily based on economic
justifications. GOI provides subsidies for food, fertilizer, fuels
(kerosene, LPG), electricity,  what not, and many of its expenditure
programs - canal irrigation, nuclear power - are not based on cost-recovery
principles. At this stage, support for TLUD expansion could come from
specialized agencies or some philanthropy capital.

A project with "commercial viability" of the stove enterprise, including
carbon credit revenues - combined with technical advice and user support
whose costs are absorbed by such philanthropy grants - can be designed to
prove the scale up potential.

GACC is in the business of supporting innovations, but it seems to be
distracted in building some rather vacuous "Evidence Base" for academic
benefits, to put an oomph behind some readily marketable technologies - LPG
and appliances for its use - that don't need any such icing on the cake.

I just finished one more piece on GACC in Haiti and will post it
separately.

Nikhil

PS: I think I wrote on Stoves list earlier that I was intrigued by the
Biochar idea back in 2008, especially after Steve Joseph in Sydney spent a
few hours  matched it with old "stoves" ideas. I have another draft post on
Fordlandia (Brazil) with a reference to terra preta.




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On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

> Stovers,
>
> Nikhil wrote:
>
>> As for India, a "qualified household" gets an LPG "connection" from one
>> of the LPG suppliers and is entitled to a per month subsidy for a 14 kg
>> cylinder. That is, if all works according to design, the customer is
>> ensured of subsidized LPG supplies up to 14 kg a month. This scheme began
>> more than 50 years ago, no thanks to any public health reports and aDALY
>> computations. Last I checked, subsidy levels varied by state and by
>> consumer, but about $10 a month or $120 a year. ***
>>
> A subsidy of $120 per year and for many years is not a good investment for
> the Indian govenment.  For $40 once for the stove plus $10 per YEAR to
> guarantee that the stove stays in use, the people in many areas can be
> using renewable dry biomass fuels AND be generating 4 carbon credits per
> year AND create jobs for the fuel suppliers AND have about 1/3rd ton of
> charcoal that is the byproduct of the cooking process.
>
> THAT is a good investment, in my opinion.
>
> Nikhil also wrote:
>
>> For a third of LPG distribution costs, perhaps three times as much
>> cooking could be delivered by TLUD stoves but the proof of "usable and
>> used" is still missing.
>>
> CORRECTION:  The proof of "usable and used" TLUD stoves is no longer
> missing.   The Deganga, India, TLUD stove project documentation (availiable
> for several months now at http://drtlud.com/deganga-tlud-project-2016
>   ) is a great example with 12,000 stoves IN USE DAILY. Confirmed by
> monitoring associated with the carbon credits.   (If you have not read this
> report, please do so.)
>
> And this can be accomplished in Haiti also IF GIVEN THE CHANCE. But if
> support goes to LPG and others, there will be needless delays to show the
> big impact.   Why do people continue to ignore what the TLUD stoves can do
> regarding fuel efficinecy, diverse biomass fuels, creating charcoal (either
> for burning or for biochar into soils), and even being financed by carbon
> credits, and having the lowest bad emissions of any solid fuel stoves, and
> local activities instead of importation.  Whether in Haiti or India or
> Nepal or Uganda or anywhere with some biomass supplies, TLUDs in sufficient
> numbers to reach "critical mass" should be put into use WITH THE
> EDUCATIONAL USER SUPPORT as done in Deganga and now into Darjeeling
> District of India.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>
> On 1/3/2017 12:44 PM, Traveller wrote:
>
>
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