[Stoves] Carbon credits for biochar

Wed Jan 11 22:27:04 CST 2017

Hello??    Hello?????   Anybody home?????

I sent the message below three days ago.   It is about financing of 
cookstoves and about carbon credit recognition for charcoal in to soil 
(biochar).   I thought that this was an important topic. Maybe I did not 
write clearly.

Thus far I have receive exactly ONE reply, and it was off-list. 
Additional replies would be appreciated, whether pro or con or neutral.

Paul

Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com

On 1/9/2017 12:50 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:
> Frank, Stovers, and Charists.
>
> I am responding to Frank's question that is below.
>
> No carbon credits are given for biochar because that is the way the 
> current carbon credit system is structured for that Deganga project 
> (link is given below).  That is beyond the control of that project.
>
> HOWEVER, I am organizing a similar Champion TLUD stove project in East 
> Darjeeling District, West Bengal, India (exactly on the border with 
> Bhutan).  That project has new rules about its carbon credits.  And I 
> am stating that the incorporation of biochar into soils is eligible 
> for carbon credits.  I will be presenting this at the ETHOS session 
> Saturday evening 28 January. in the Seattle area.
>
> Note:  Carbon credits are essentially an intangible commodity that can 
> be linked to specific acts, such as the irreversible, scattered burial 
> of appropriate carbon into soil.  Will someone pay to have that 
> char-burial (making it unburnable) occur?   THAT is the same as paying 
> for voluntary carbon credits.
>
> When (not if) that "unburnableness" of char is possible in a 
> reasonably documented manner, would someone pay for that to happen?  I 
> think that some people will A) pay for the carbon-negative burial of 
> the equivlaent of 1 tCO2; or B) pay to have biochar into soil; or C) 
> pay to accomplish both A and B; or D) pay as a donation to a real 
> biochar project in an impoverished country; or E) pay for any other 
> reason (such as "they like Paul Anderson.")
>
> It takes about 250 kg (quarter ton) of dry un-treated (raw) biochar to 
> make 1 tonne CO2eq., and that amount of char comes from 1 TLUD stove 
> used daily in one household during one year (based on India field 
> data, not just laboratory calculations).  I think that such an amount 
> that is PERMANENTLY SEQUESTERED should be worth TWO carbon credits, 
> but that will need to be debated and resolved.
>
> I intend to place that amount of char on the market for US$20, being 
> the price for EITHER one Biochar Credit or two Carbon Credits.  I 
> think that is a fair price.   What do you think?  Can the price be 
> higher?
>
> The East Darjeeling project will also be selling single Carbon Credits 
> for $10.
>
> Will anyone purchase it (as 2 carbon credits and they do not care 
> about the char as long as it is made unburnable) (or as one biochar 
> credit) and donate it to a serious biochar project in the local area?
>
> THAT is a serious question.   And I ask it to everyone who is reading 
> this email.  $20 for biochar.  And there will be tens of thousands of 
> those "Biochar Credits" every year.
>
> Remember, this is BOTH a Biochar Listserv topic (obviously) AND a 
> Stoves Listserv topic (as it relates to how to finance the stoves that 
> we want to disseminate.)   To be discussed on the lists separately.
>
> I will be discussing this further, providing information as fast as I 
> can.  I will see your responses, but I have work to do and will let 
> others lead the discussions / debates.     (Please be sure that all 
> discussants have read the Deganga TLUD report. Otherwise, the above 
> statements and their comments will not make sense.)
>
> Paul
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:psanders at ilstu.edu
> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website:www.drtlud.com
> On 1/8/2017 11:08 PM, Frank Shields wrote:
>> Thanks Paul,
>> I searched for the Deganga study and found it to be interesting. One 
>> statement in the report i do not understand:
>>
>> "3. The produced TLUD char cannot generate credits if it is burned by 
>> the household or used as biochar for soil amending.”
>>
>>
>> “cannot generate credits if it is burned by the household” - thats 
>> makes sense.
>> “or used as biochar for soil amending”? - that makes NO sense.
>>
>> Amazing number of hurtles that you must have overcome to set the 
>> program in motion.
>>
>> http://www.drtlud.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/TLUD-Case-Study-Deganga-2016-09-30.pdf
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Frank
>> Frank Shields
>> Gabilan Laboratory
>> Keith Day Company, Inc.
>> 1091 Madison Lane
>> Salinas, CA  93907
>> (831) 246-0417 cell
>> (831) 771-0126 office
>> fShields at keithdaycompany.com <mailto:fShields at keithdaycompany.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> franke at cruzio.com <mailto:franke at cruzio.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu 
>>> <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Deganga study
>>
>>
>>
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