[Stoves] Carbon credits for biochar
Paul Anderson
psanders at ilstu.edu
Thu Jan 12 14:45:22 CST 2017
Nikhil and all,
I am starting with US$10 per claimed carbon credit.
This is outside of the activities of any established governing bodies of
carbon credits. I will be very clear about what is being sold and where
the money is going. And then I must depend on acceptance by those who
would support the activities.
People will be supportive because of clean stoves, carbon reduction,
less deforestation, biochar, or whatever reason or reasons they find
important. The work has started already with the stoves. This is not
like Kickstarter or crowd funding.
Your questions and ideas are not stupid or silly, they are just things
that I cannot answer at present. I am hoping that some (several, or
many??) people will step forward and assist.
Stay tuned,
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: www.drtlud.com
On 1/12/2017 2:08 PM, Traveller wrote:
> Paul:
>
> Sorry for a delayed response.
>
> My 20+ years old charge that the CDM process - in turn based on IPCC
> Guidelines for GHG inventorying - is based on "expert-selected species
> for expert-selected computational methods from expert-selected sources
> net of expert-selected sinks" - is re-confirmed by your post.
>
> I wish you all success in getting biochar recognized in some "avoided
> kgCO2e" fashion.
>
> I haven't looked at CDM rules in ten years, but there may be some
> "sequestration" computations available from the REDD projects. I don't
> know if there are any yet under CDM. (This may answer Frank's question
> -- two different mechanisms may apply at the FCCC.)
>
> You will also do a great service by doing what is called "price
> discovery".
>
> Here is perhaps a stupid question --- if you put 1 tCO2e in the ground
> per year as char, is that net of all CO2e emitted from the stove? Or
> do your stoves have to show a low fNRB in order to get any avoided
> CO2e from combustion? What is the baseline for both cooking emissions
> (today) and char emissions (100 years, say)? What do you have to prove
> for "permanent sequestration"? (Not that anybody else has to prove
> permanent effect, only that during project lifetime.)
>
> I have no knowledge of the fate of char in soil.
>
> A silly idea perhaps -- you can design bids for your CDM and char/REDD
> certificates (assuming REDD applies), and offer the first buyers
> discounted price on future certificates. I did some auction modeling
> for Montreal Protocol some twenty years ago, but a better economist
> and scientist is needed for REDD auctions!! (There has been some
> literature on CER auction models, but my knowledge is way too rusty.)
>
> Start with a reservation price for CDM at $7/tCO2e and char at
> $10/tCO2e. Is that enough revenue per stove to cover the fob plant
> production cost?
>
> Nikhil
>
>
>
>
>
> //
>
> Frank, Stovers, and Charists.
>
> I am responding to Frank's question that is below.
>
> No carbon credits are given for biochar because that is the way
> the current carbon credit system is structured for that Deganga
> project (link is given below). That is beyond the control of that
> project.
>
> HOWEVER, I am organizing a similar Champion TLUD stove project in
> East Darjeeling District, West Bengal, India (exactly on the
> border with Bhutan). That project has new rules about its carbon
> credits. And I am stating that the incorporation of biochar into
> soils is eligible for carbon credits. I will be presenting this
> at the ETHOS session Saturday evening 28 January. in the Seattle area.
>
> Note: Carbon credits are essentially an intangible commodity that
> can be linked to specific acts, such as the irreversible,
> scattered burial of appropriate carbon into soil. Will someone
> pay to have that char-burial (making it unburnable) occur? THAT
> is the same as paying for voluntary carbon credits.
>
> When (not if) that "unburnableness" of char is possible in a
> reasonably documented manner, would someone pay for that to
> happen? I think that some people will A) pay for the
> carbon-negative burial of the equivlaent of 1 tCO2; or B) pay to
> have biochar into soil; or C) pay to accomplish both A and B; or
> D) pay as a donation to a real biochar project in an impoverished
> country; or E) pay for any other reason (such as "they like Paul
> Anderson.")
>
> It takes about 250 kg (quarter ton) of dry un-treated (raw)
> biochar to make 1 tonne CO2eq., and that amount of char comes from
> 1 TLUD stove used daily in one household during one year (based on
> India field data, not just laboratory calculations). I think that
> such an amount that is PERMANENTLY SEQUESTERED should be worth TWO
> carbon credits, but that will need to be debated and resolved.
>
> I intend to place that amount of char on the market for US$20,
> being the price for EITHER one Biochar Credit or two Carbon
> Credits. I think that is a fair price. What do you think? Can
> the price be higher?
>
> The East Darjeeling project will also be selling single Carbon
> Credits for $10.
>
> Will anyone purchase it (as 2 carbon credits and they do not care
> about the char as long as it is made unburnable) (or as one
> biochar credit) and donate it to a serious biochar project in the
> local area?
>
> THAT is a serious question. And I ask it to everyone who is
> reading this email. $20 for biochar. And there will be tens of
> thousands of those "Biochar Credits" every year.
>
> Remember, this is BOTH a Biochar Listserv topic (obviously) AND a
> Stoves Listserv topic (as it relates to how to finance the stoves
> that we want to disseminate.) To be discussed on the lists
> separately.
>
> I will be discussing this further, providing information as fast
> as I can. I will see your responses, but I have work to do and
> will let others lead the discussions / debates. (Please be
> sure that all discussants have read the Deganga TLUD report.
> Otherwise, the above statements and their comments will not make
> sense.)
>
> Paul
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>
> Skype: paultlud Phone:+1-309-452-7072 <tel:%28309%29%20452-7072>
> Website:www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com>
>
> On 1/8/2017 11:08 PM, Frank Shields wrote:
>> Thanks Paul,
>> I searched for the Deganga study and found it to be interesting.
>> One statement in the report i do not understand:
>>
>> "3. The produced TLUD char cannot generate credits if it is
>> burned by the household or used as biochar for soil amending.”
>>
>> “cannot generate credits if it is burned by the household” -
>> thats makes sense.
>> “or used as biochar for soil amending”? - that makes NO sense.
>>
>> Amazing number of hurtles that you must have overcome to set the
>> program in motion.
>>
>> http://www.drtlud.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/TLUD-Case-Study-Deganga-2016-09-30.pdf
>> <http://www.drtlud.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/TLUD-Case-Study-Deganga-2016-09-30.pdf>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Frank
>> Frank Shields
>> Gabilan Laboratory
>> Keith Day Company, Inc.
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>>
>>
>>
>> franke at cruzio.com <mailto:franke at cruzio.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu
>>> <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Deganga study
>>
>>
>>
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