[Stoves] Dung cakes

Thu Jun 15 13:21:45 CDT 2017

VERY GOOD FRANK !

       We whrite one PAGE to adhere to  the KORAN / BIBLE ……

0   COOKING INSIDE ON “ 3 STONE FIRE WITH DUNGE IS DEATLY DANGEROUS 

1 Never burn dunge alone .

2 Sun-dry dunge for 3 months.

3 Cut in 2”pieces

4 START A TLUD WITH WOOD TWIGS ! 

5 Ad slowly 50 % dung with 50 % twigs as no  more then 20% cold  fuel mix inside the HOT stove .

6 Never use a TLUD without a chimney to the outside  .

7 Lost heat from a TLUD outside the room ,can be used to extra drying dunge !

8 Dry gras and dunge  dont give flame to  burn the near fuel ; so we need co-burning withe flaming fuel !

9 Dry looking is not dry !

10 Dry is:if no weight los occur at 110 ° C  after 1 hour !

   AMEN

Have a HEALTY MEAL  with DUNG COOKING ON A  TLUD ,BIG ENOUGH TO KEEP HEAT MASS !!

F.

Van: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] Namens Frank Shields
Verzonden: donderdag 15 juni 2017 16:23
Aan: Nikhil Desai; Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Onderwerp: Re: [Stoves] Dung cakes

Greetings,

24 pieces of dung for $75 USD on Amazon! Growing up on the farm i was knee deep in money every morning and night and didn’t even know it. 

But my point I have been trying to make for years:

Even if dung cakes in religious uses alone accounted for 10,000 premature deaths per year.

Dung cakes (and all biomass fuels) do not cause premature death. It is the volatiles from heating the fuel and allowed to be in contact with people that cause the problem. It is the chemical and physical structure of the biomass associated with a task that we need to look at and regulate - not some ’name’ of biomass. 

Simple tests and spider diagrams I’m thinking will do this. 

Because this is the beginning (Box 1) nothing gets done until we do this - as we very well have seen. Outlawing dung will not solve the problem unless another is substituted that is clean. Studying air quality and premature death will do nothing to solve the problem. We need to work on the problem itself.  

regards

Frank

On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Nikhil Desai <pienergy2008 at gmail.com> wrote:

Frank: 

This is the first time I have seen such data, and I am not able to locate the details supposedly at https://data.gov.in/catalog/variety-wise-daily-market-prices-data-firewood. I cannot open the XML files. 

The website says "The data refers to State-wise, market-wise, variety-wise prices of Firewood. It has the daily wholesale maximum price, minimum price and modal price. This dataset is generated through the AGMARKNET Portal (http://agmarknet.nic.in <http://agmarknet.nic.in/> ) which disseminates daily market information of various commodities."

That is, no mention of charcoal or dung cakes. 

Now to your questions; 

a. Chips probably refers to wood waste from timber mills and construction, packaging enterprises. I have heard of different prices in my city for "firewood" (chopped branches and twigs) and such waste wood (don't remember the local word). In towns along the highway, I have seen 2-3 varieties of firewood -- depending on the thickness, perhaps tree type -- for sale during winter periods (for space heating). I have heard - not confirmed - that the most common trees are neem and mango. Occasionally another type of wood is also in the market - acacia. 

b. Dung cakes are usually from cattle (cow, buffalo) manure, mixed with dry grass or grain husks (rice I know of; unsure about other). For the most part, it is a home-based activity for families who own these animals. Horse manure might have been used decades ago, but there are no horses around any more. Nor do I know what commercial (large-scale, 20+ heads) dairies do with their manure. There are no energy specifications; sellers and buyers no longer know each other, but there is probably some consistency in size and mass. 

Because dung cakes are used in religious rituals - weddings, cremations - now there is even an upper-end online trade in such, including deliveries in US. See (if these links work)

http://www.amazon.in/Haat-Gobar-upla-pieces-Completely/dp/B01LZO9OKZ/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8 <http://www.amazon.in/Haat-Gobar-upla-pieces-Completely/dp/B01LZO9OKZ/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1497476941&sr=8-4&keywords=cow+dung+cakes+gobar+upla> &qid=1497476941&sr=8-4&keywords=cow+dung+cakes+gobar+upla 

and for US

https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Angus-Cow-Dung-Patties/dp/B01A4UP1RC/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps <https://www.amazon.com/Authentic-Angus-Cow-Dung-Patties/dp/B01A4UP1RC/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1497477017&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=cow+dung+cakes> &ie=UTF8&qid=1497477017&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=cow+dung+cakes. 

If someone spreads the rumor in today's India that GACC is seeking to outlaw dungcakes, I can guarantee there will be a strong reaction from the new gau-goondas (literally, cow-goons). My Prime Minister believes in LPG promotion, but is a devotee of cows. 

Even if dung cakes in religious uses alone accounted for 10,000 premature deaths per year. 

Nikhil

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Frank Shields <franke at cruzio.com> wrote:

Greetings Stovers,

<snip>

Overall rural fuel inflation was 6.8% in 2015-16, which is more than two-and-a-half times the figure for urban areas -2.7%.The sharp increase in rural cooking fuels was due to soaring prices of dung cake and firewood chips. What caused inflation is not known, but it is likely that the supply of dung cake is falling due to fewer people making them.

<snip>

Are firewood chips that made from chipping branches?

And how are dung cakes made? Any quality control? any energy specifications? 

How do they burn - flame? smoldering? 

Thanks

Frank

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Frank

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