[Stoves] "Stealth fires" and Wendelbo and TLUD history

[Crispin Pemberton-Pigott]

Sorry for my typo

That should have read 1997 not 2007.

Please re-read and re-interpret.

The reason I know about it is I was in Kampala in 1997.

Apologies for confusion
Crispin


From: Paul Anderson
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 03:35
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; Nolbert Muhumuza
Reply To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Subject: Re: [Stoves] "Stealth fires" and Wendelbo and TLUD history


Crispin, please clarify.

1. We agree that Wendelbo started in 1988 in Norway and was successful
in northern Uganda in the mid to late 1990s.

2. So, anything in Kampala by 2007 is AFTER Wendelbo. So you cannot
call that 2007 activity "predecessor technology." Any TLUD-style
stoves in Kampala in 2007 could have sprung from Wendelbo's earlier work.

3. Please provde some (any) documentation about the 2007 stoves that
you mention.

4. In 2009 the PCIA Forum was in Kampala. I was there and showed TLUD
stoves (Champion style). Karsten Bechtel of CREEC was there, and from
that interaction (with some kind words from Christa Roth, I am sure),
the proposal for World Bank's BEIA funding was prepared for the TLUD
project by CREEC (the first and only such funding for a TLUD project),
with me as technical advisor, that gave rise to the Mwoto TLUD stove.
The BEIA project ended in August 2012, and Awamu started in Sept and so
did Mwoto Factories (with Awamu continuing still).

5. But never in those 2009 and later years did anyone in Kampala or on
a listserv comment about some TLUD stoves in Kampala in 2007. Some sort
of supportive evidence is requested. Such stoves COULD have been there
(with probable roots traced to Wendelbo). But we need some support for
your statement.

Paul

Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: www.drtlud.com

On 5/27/2017 1:04 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:
> Dear Friends
>
> This is very clear as to date:
>
> "I began my serious work with stoves back in Norway in 1988 before my next employment started. I began utilizing the fire technology I learned during the war .‎"
>
> Interestingly, there was already established by Nov 1997 in Kampala a food cooking stove which was a TLUD burning vertically stacked bound bundles of reeds‎ in a cylindrical ombustion chamber. The commercial fuel supply chain was developed as well, not just a prototype prototype.
>
> The stove was mostly being used as a restaurant (commercial) cooking system. The charge of fuel was packed into the metal cylinder standing vertically and top-lit. It had secondary air ‎provided above the fuel.
>
> While I understand and appreciate the work Paal did, it is also fair to mention this predecessor technology and to search for those who developed it and the story of the non-woody fuel preparation‎. There is a great deal of biomass around Kampala in the form of reeds and bullrushes which served as the fuel source.
>
> Given that this system has all the elements of a 'modern' TLUD cooking stove I think it deserves a mention in the stove wiki, with a note asking people to locate additional information and perhaps a working sample.
>
> Regards
> Crispin
>
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