[Stoves] Energy in Puerto Rico : Puerto Rico Needs Our Help

[Nikhil Desai]

Tom:

I cooked afternoon porridge for refugee children and managed distribution
of food ingredients and fuel (kerosene) for other refugees. There is no
shortage of people who do good, whether or not they mean to.

I am normally against agendas, though I do have a bias toward Anil's idea
of "rural cafeterias" because not only did I grow up with such experiences
in refugee camps and saw collective cooking and feeding as a workable
option, governments in at least two Indian states (Tamil Nadu and
Karnataka) opened up urban low-cost meal centers (Amma's Kitchens and
Indira Kitchens respectively). The history of collective cooking for the
working class goes back to the origins of urban working class itself, in US
in the late 19th Century. That is how "home economics" and "consumer
economics" started.

And of course the practice of collective cooking for emergencies goes back
at least to Biblical times. I have heard stories of how parts of India
coped with repeated famines from the mid-19th Century to the mid-20th
Century; distribution of meals was one way to save the starved.

Cooking is for feeding people (and livestock), and GACC has obviously done
that too as Anil testified to, referring to sumptuous meals he had.

I am yet to see a single evidence of EPA, WHO or CDC helping improve
cooking and eating among the poor. I didn't think your agenda was any
different from mine. It is only this list that can demand integrity and
accountability from those who use public monies and tax exemptions. A very
American principle of holding powers' feet to fire, just like the First
Amendment. I am still puzzled why you are so upset with me and have not
cited a single challenge against anything I may have misrepresented. I am
answerable to  you because of your leniency for the use of this forum;
please give me a chance to make you happy.


Nikhil

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On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Tom Miles <tmiles at trmiles.com> wrote:

> Nikhil,
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> Thanks for the link. It’s a great example of the generosity and initiative
> that people on this list practice every day. It is good that GACC was in
> place to facilitate the work in Haiti that apparently launched the effort.
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> No thanks for hijacking the topic for your own agenda. As owner and host
> of the list I’ve had enough of hearing you repeat the same themes for
> almost a year. Go find another list to make your favorite complaints.
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> Tom
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> *From:* Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Nikhil Desai
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 11, 2017 10:36 AM
> *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.
> org>
> *Cc:* Anil Rajvanshi <anilrajvanshi at gmail.com>;
> gasification at bioenergylists.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] Energy in Puerto Rico : Puerto Rico Needs Our Help
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> Here an example of how a FEMA contract helped on the ground.
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> The Story of World Central Kitchen, the Nonprofit Serving Millions of
> Meals to Puerto Rico
> <https://www.eater.com/2017/11/10/16623204/world-central-kitchen-jose-andres-puerto-rico-haiti-houston>, José
> Andrés's nonprofit aims to change the world “through the eyes of a chef”
> - Monica Burton  Nov 10, 2017
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> Not much detail, but I imagine LPG and diesel generators provided the
> energy. There is a fraudulent reference to GACC as a "UN foundation", but
> Chef Jose Andres surely knows more about cooking than TC-285 and WHO.
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> Eater.com stories are all about restaurants for the rich in rich cities,
> mostly in rich countries, but that only underscores the main point I first
> saw articulated in Anil Rajvanshi's proposal on "rural cafeterias" - the
> rich get attention on cooking and delivering food and beverages to the
> plates and cups, whereas the poor are trapped in stovers/WHO mythology of
> efficiencies, climate change, and "heath benefits" of "clean cookstoves".
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> The tragedy of poverties - the poor get served rich theories and fantasies
> of "international standards". I credit GACC for raising awareness about
> cooking, but blame it for the diverting monies to useless research and
> imperial dinners.
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> Nikhil
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