[Stoves] Stove testing -

[Nikhil Desai]

Frank:

As things stand, only Gold Standard Foundation is offering aDALYs, using
Kirk Smith's HAPIT, a thinly veiled marketing tool for LPG or "Tier 4" (ISO
protocols, whatever they are).

THAT is the measure of "truly health protective" Kirk Smith is marketing
(i.e., HAPIT, not any stove as such).

While Gold Standard demands WBT, no technical improvement in stoves have
much value.

So, public donors for bulk procurement as well as private middlemen such as
Gold Standard and CDM need to get away from WBT.

The stakes are not small.

Nikhil

PS: Gold Standard sells aCO2 and aDALY monitoring and certification
services in its own name (no public authority required). aDALY may not
require any stove testing, since - to my knowledge - DALYs were not based
on any emissions, just concentrations. Pretty much like WBT - a fuel-free,
cook-free metric so as to raise propaganda hell.


On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Frank Shields <franke at cruzio.com> wrote:

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> Nikhil writes:
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> . The real task is to see whether a "truly health protective" biomass
> stove can be marketed at scale in the next five years.
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> Crispin writes:
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>  At first blush, because the EPA wanted to create a set of tiers for
> performance similar to the ones they have for other industries, and to
> embed the WBT as the go-to test method
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> before it was seriously challenged in academic circles. Obviously it was
> already being challenged by the private sector.
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> Frank writes:
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> To achieve the goal Nikhil mentions we only need to replace the Go-To test
> Crispin mentions with something that is not flawed, is robust, simple and
> information provided on; Biomass >> to >> Task (6-Box system) such that the
> test can be
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> repeated at different labs. This Go-To test is the core for all the other
> parameters like Tiers, PM2.5, energy eff., selection for a receiving site,
> health & safety, measurements for making improvements. Etc. Etc.
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> We NEED a Go-To test before we can do anything else. That’s what needs our
> full attention IMO.
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> Regards
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> Frank
> Thanks
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> Frank
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> Frank Shields
> Gabilan Laboratory
> Keith Day Company, Inc.
> 1091 Madison Lane
> Salinas, CA  93907
> (831) 246-0417 cell
> (831) 771-0126 office
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> franke at cruzio.com
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