[Stoves] Ghana news: Second Lady named GACC ambassador; HAP deaths "alarming"

[Nikhil Desai]

Ron:

Somehow this fell through the cracks and I failed to read until now.

If you think biomass fuel producers ought to be sued like the Big Tobacco,
please be my guest.

I have no problem accepting the claim that there are health risks from
excessive smoke, food, alcohol, dope, or even intellectual diet of only
peer-blessed journals. I only dispute precise quantification and, in
particular, WHO HFC Guidelines, the Tier 4 PM2.5 hourly average emission
rates, or even PM2.5 equitoxicity.

Nikhil



On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Ronal W. Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net>
wrote:

> Nikhil:
>
> You are obviously putting a lot of time into this WHO-HAP “abuse of
> science” topic  (From below:   “*In the WHO claims on HAP, there is a
> mental violence done by abuse of science.* )   But you come to a
> different conclusion than virtually every other analyst.
>
> I fail to see ANY difference between your views and the many cigarette
> company officials disclaiming for decades any scientific proof on health
> issues related to cigarette smoking.
>
> What is the difference between their obvious lies and your (negative)
> claims of “mental violence” - both on smoke?   How could the tobacco
> companies conclude that there are indeed serious health hazards from
> cigarette smoke twenty years (and more) ago - but you can’t in 2017?
>
> Cites:  http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/26/weekinreview/the-nation-
> big-tobacco-grew-long-noses-but-it-s-not-a-crime.html
> http://www.jeffreywigand.com/7ceos.php
> http://www.who.int/tobacco/media/en/TobaccoExplained.pdf
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 12:09 AM, Nikhil Desai <pienergy2008 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Crispin:
>
> Just a coincidence that your post reminded me of a case connecting
> workplace sexual harassment of young women and cookstove emissions.
>
> Why of course, I am thinking of the economist R. K. Pachauri, formerly of
> Teri, The Energy Research Institute in New Delhi and of the IPCC. It was
> via Teri that the first formal study of Indian indoor air pollution from
> solid fuel cookstoves began, in early 1983.  Clean Cooking Forum 2017 is
> being held not too far from where it all started then.
>
> Thinking of your grotesque analogy, I guess physical violence leads to
> long-term trauma for the survivors, a mental health issue. A co-damage if
> you will.
>
> In the WHO claims on HAP, there is a mental violence done by abuse of
> science.
>
> In each case, what happens behind the doors is kept unspoken. That is a
> societal cost of putting up with conceit and deceit of the violators.
>
> Please let us know which document of WHO says that HAP "kills". I will
> post two very short WHO statements (3-4 pages each) on HAP BOD methods and
> results, and also quote from a Kirk Smith paper about how the GBD
> attributable deaths rose in numbers. (I quoted from GBD 2016 that HAP
> attributable deaths have now gone down from 2000 to 2016).
>
> On claims like "kills" or the 2014 WHO document on HFC "guidelines"
> interfering with stove performance metrics and protocols, you could request
> your national government to take the matter to WHO Director General to
> complain that WHO has exceeded its remit and it has issued misleading
> public health statements.
>
> Nikhil
>
> PS: There is a WSJ front page story about a startup making false claims - Outcome,
> a Hot Tech Startup, Misled Advertisers With Manipulated Information,
> Sources Say
> <https://www.wsj.com/articles/outcome-a-hot-tech-startup-misled-advertisers-with-manipulated-information-sources-say-1507834627> Rolfe
> Winkler 13 October 2017. Arguendo, the technology was aimed to "nudge"
> (term from the new Nobel economist Richard Thaler) patients waiting in
> doctors' offices to a the drug that pharma companies paid Outcome to market
> via televisions in selected doctors' offices.  I wonder if Outcome should
> have instead sold aDALYs from nudging.
>
>
>
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