[Stoves] Delhi clean cooking forum meeting

Tue Oct 31 11:49:55 CDT 2017

Dear Mr. Muhmuza:

CO and burns are probably the only instances where fuel combustion "kills".
There are other instances, I guess, of "indoor air pollution" making people
seriously ill after too high a dose, but I suspect they are generally not
from fuel combustion.

Ventilation has traditionally been the answer to CO poisoning, from
whatever source. The lesson for stoves policy is to think not just of
stoves but of kitchens and homes in their entirety and surrounding
environment. It is perfectly ok to "put pollution out". A review of IAP
modeling done for WHO by Dr Michael Johnson frankly admitted that the
knowledge base for ventilation and actual concentrations of all pollutants
was practically empty.

Ideologues of "no ventilation" stove design, "no stacking" indirectly
contribute to real deaths, not just manufactured "premature mortality". If
the two cases you cited had an electric stove or a window, most likely CO
poisoning could have been avoided.

The lords and ladies of Washington and Geneva know nothing about Katwe.

Nikhil

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On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 1:22 AM, Nolbert Muhumuza <muhumuza at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Anil,
>
> There is a recent high profile case in Uganda where a son of a former
> cabinet minister died of IAP.
> http://tnt.co.ug/2017/09/19/omara-atubos-son-found-dead/
> https://www.newvision.co.ug/new_vision/news/1462259/atubos-son-laid-rest
>
> I also personally witnessed a case about 2 years ago where a young lady
> living in one of the biggest slums of Kampala called Bwaise died in her
> sleep after she light a charcoal stove, started cooking inside her house
> but then closed her doors to take a nap (the single room had no window).
>
> So there is some reference for you.
>
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> 2017-10-31 7:59 GMT+03:00 Dr. Dieter Seifert <doseifert at googlemail.com>:
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>> Dear Anil,
>>
>> Was the completely clean "cooking with retained heat" discussed at the
>> clean cooking forum? It avoids health damage, costs, emissions, and it may
>> save 50% fuel consumption because it replaces a large part of the active
>> cooking process. Information can be found on the SCl website:
>> http://solarcooking.wikia.com/wiki/Heat-retention_cooker.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Dieter
>>
>>
>> Am 30.10.2017 um 07:13 schrieb nari phaltan:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just came back after attending the clean cooking forum meeting. I am
>> writing detailed articles on my observations and suggestions and hope these
>> articles will be syndicated. Here are my cursory impressions.
>>
>> 1. The data on daily deaths from indoor pollution is suspect. It will
>> always be since it is impossible to pinpoint one cause when there are
>> millions of causes for death. So the issues raised by Nikhil are valid.
>>
>> 2. However this scarce has raised the level of engagement of rich and
>> famous people - people who would not have thought at all about how poor
>> people live. This might have an effect of raising funds and putting people
>> to focus on rural poverty.
>>
>> 3. Also this also has a danger of raising brain-haired schemes like
>> electric induction cooking for rural poor. The poor households have never
>> seen electricity and now they will supposedly get electricity for cooking!
>>
>> 4. The LPG program of GOI is in full swing. This gives mileage and
>> brownie points to the present administration despite the fact that 90% LPG
>> in India is imported (50% imported and 40% produced from imported oil).
>> There are serious problems on the ground (both logistics and otherwise) but
>> it looks good to brag in international forums.
>>
>> 5. The registration cost of US $ 300/- was steep and I have no idea where
>> it was used. Except we got sumptuous meals (most of the food was also
>> wasted) and a big Bollywood tamasha on the gala dinner eve. I do hope the
>> excess food (there were innumerable meat dishes) was given to rural poor
>> and at least on those days the Delhi air might have gotten less pollution
>> from indoor cooking!
>>
>> 6. The Delhi air was polluted and the visibility was 50-100 meters. Kirk
>> Smith told me that it is due to indoor air-pollution and not due to
>> vehicular pollution - really taxing the credibility of the data and the man!
>>
>> 7. I think this jamboree (600 delegates from 50 countries) only resulted
>> in deals and invitations to more conferences.
>>
>> Cheers.
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>> Anil
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