[Stoves] stoves and credits again

Fri Sep 22 10:25:58 CDT 2017

Since the 2008-2009 work IBI developed a protocol for determining how much
carbon could be considered sequestered. This protocol was adopted and
amended in 2016 by the California Air Pollution Control Officials (CAPCOA).
It has not been adopted by an international body. 

The protocol is based on the ratio of hydrogen to organic carbon in the
char. The maximum is 0.7. Many gasifier chars are well below that. The class
the ratio puts you in determines how much carbon you can claim for
sequestration.  Someone has probably looked at this for TLUD's but I don't
have that information handy.

Tom 

From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of
Paul Anderson
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 6:16 AM
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] stoves and credits again

Crispin,

Thank you for the message and for calling attention to the spreadsheet dated
July 2008.   I am sure that it is useful.   To someone.   This is not in my
realm of activities.   

What I (we) can hope for is that someone will  use your message and
spreadsheet and then help me  understand its significance to the topic.

Paul

Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> 
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com> 

On 9/22/2017 7:36 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:

Dear Paul

The energy in a fuel can be estimated well using the following formula

HHV (in kJ/g) = 0.3491C + 1.41 H  - 0.1034 O + 0.1005 S - 0.0151 N - 0.0211
A

Where  C is the (mass) fraction of carbon, H of hydrogen, O of oxygen, S of
sulfur, N of nitrogen, A of ash

There are other formulas in use - this one I believe comes from Tom Reed.

The conversion from HHV to LHV is standard and well known, accounting for
water vapour generated by burning the hydrogen.
The compensation for moisture content is also well known involving a
subtraction for the mass of water and then for heating and evaporating that
moisture.

So using the above formula only you can get a pretty good estimate of the
energy content of a wood or char fuel.

I developed a spreadsheet for determining the energy released during various
portions of a Water Boiling Test to see how the assumption that the moisture
left the fuel 'constantly' compared with the assumption that the fuel dried
first and burned later. It is attached, and it uses the above formula.

You can enter fuels of your choice and burn and water loss choices to see
how the energy released by the fire is accounted.

To use it, put in the dry fuel analysis, for example the Douglas Fir is
entered in row 13. The moisture is entered in cell E12. That will calculate
the wet basis ultimate analysis in row 12.

Do the same for the char remaining at the end in rows 15 and 16.

Rows 18-24 are the calculations provided by the WBT, at that time the UCB
WBT 3.1 (uncorrected, maybe?).
Rows 28-32 are the calculations proposed where the fuel evolves during the
burn. The point was to compare the energy released values on the right. The
heat released calculation error is posted on the far right, in all cases the
WBT over-estimates the energy released during a section of the test.

In the upper section the LHV is given for both the dry and moist fuels on a
per kg basis.

You can enter any fuel, liquid or solid, just use the dry ultimate analysis
as the raw data then enter the fuel moisture to get the current value. For
ethanol and kerosene there might be no moisture at all.

Regards
Crispin

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From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of
Andrew Heggie
Sent: 21-Sep-17 14:54
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
<mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] stoves and credits again

On 21 September 2017 at 18:17, Paul Anderson  <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>
<psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

1.  Pyrolysis is around the 550 to 650 C range (unless burning very 
hot with much forced air) 2.  The char yield is about 20% of the dry 
weight of the biomass fuel (mainly think of wood).
3.  That char contains about 30%  (NOT 50%) of the ENERGY of the biomass.

Paul I have had a look at some of the early work on charcoal, I see graph by
Pohl 1970 that show charcoal heated to 600C being composed 90% fixed carbon,
now if you ignore the other 10% that contains carbon hydrogen oxygen and ash
and you still have 20% of the original dry weight then you have 18% of the
original dry weight as carbon. So if you start with dry hardwood at the
18.6MJ/kg Tom Reed allowed for it and most woody biomass and end up with
0.18 carbon at 33MJ/kg so about 32% in the fixed carbon plus a contribution
from the 8% of tars etc.
less the 2-3% ash (more ash from leaves buds straw etc.) So I suspect you
are more right to be at the lower end than the 50% I gave which is what I
remember from charcoal made at lower temperatures for sale in barbecues.

If writers wish to continue to say 50% of the ENERGY remains in TLUD-type
charcoal, then let's resolve that here and now.   Otherwise there can  be no
true discussion about the value of the TLUD char.

Agreed, let's see what figures others have.

Andrew

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