[Stoves] stoves and credits again (Ron)

Ronal W. Larson rongretlarson at comcast.net
Wed Sep 27 17:01:10 CDT 2017


Nikhil:  

	See below:


> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Nikhil Desai <pienergy2008 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ron: 
> 
> You mentioned 
> 
> "The WG1 and other reports in the 285 process are listed at https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971.html <https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971.html> <https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971.html <https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971.html>>
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>         Their status is found at https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971/x/catalogue/ <https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971/x/catalogue/> <https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971/x/catalogue/ <https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971/x/catalogue/>>. "
> 
> These two links provide no such information. 

	RWL1:   Sorry.  They opened for me.
> 
> Would you be kind enough to share these reports in the TC 285 process and their status?

	[RWL2:   You didn’t read my whole reply, I guess.  I said:  “ I don?t believe either the WG1 or WG2 report is able to be shared - but hope someone higher up in this chain can give us more from either report.  I can?t.”

Ron
> 
> 
> Thank you. 
> 
> Nikhil
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 12:33:06 -0600
> From: "Ronal W. Larson" <rongretlarson at comcast.net <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>>
> To: Discussion of biomass <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org <mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>>
> Cc: Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott at outlook.com <mailto:crispinpigott at outlook.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] stoves and credits again
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> List, cc Crispin
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>         Crispin responds here only to my fifth response in a 10-response message I sent less than a half hour earlier (at 10:16 and 10:44 Larson time).  My guess is that we will see no other.  Pity, as this deserves a lot more attention.
> 
> 
> > On Sep 22, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott at outlook.com <mailto:crispinpigott at outlook.com>> wrote:
> > 
> >> >>A thorough investigation of engineering sources finds no support for rating performance on the basis of any of the energy being subtracted from the denominator, the  input energy.
> > 
> > >[RWL5:   What is the name and location of this ?thorough investigation???
> > 
> > ISO TC-285 WG1 ?(Conceptual Review)
> > 
> > As an ANSI nominated expert you should know that already. Your buddies participated in it.
> 
>         [RWL1?:  I guess I am slowing down - but it would?ve helped if Crispin had mentioned ISO, 285, or WG1.
> 
>         I am trying in this sequence of emails to make up for the fact that I have not been a good contributor to this important and valuable international ISO stove exercise.  I came in late - mainly because of this very topic.
> 
>         The WG1 and other reports in the 285 process are listed at https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971.html <https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971.html> <https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971.html <https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971.html>>
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>         Their status is found at https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971/x/catalogue/ <https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971/x/catalogue/> <https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971/x/catalogue/ <https://www.iso.org/committee/4857971/x/catalogue/>>.  The numbering there makes it clear that WG2 is further along than WG1.  WG2 came to the exact opposite conclusion from WG1 on this topic of the validity of the equation e3=e1/(1-e2).   I would be greatly surprised if Crispin didn?t know this - as I am quite sure he voted against the majority in (the almost complete?) WG2 report   I don?t believe either the WG1 or WG2 report is able to be shared - but hope someone higher up in this chain can give us more from either report.  I can?t.
> 
>      <snip>
> Ron
> > 
> > ?Regards
> > Crispin 
> 

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