[Stoves] A call to stop using the WBT

Thu Jan 25 16:37:13 CST 2018

Dear Ron,

« a.   What are some characteristics of the new test you propose to replace the WBT? »

What do you mean by characteristics?

Possible replacements of the WBT are the CSI and HTP, protocols to be found here:

 <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B5rmmRmIsdlnQlRQX3A1cXVOQ3M?usp=sharing> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B5rmmRmIsdlnQlRQX3A1cXVOQ3M?usp=sharing

I think the protocol documents are quite detailed. What is not clear in the document, what clarifications would you like to have?

« b.   What happens to the Tier system that is now based on the WBT? »

The Tier system is also put into question. I guess there will be a need for a replacement.

There is one question: is a Tier system absolutely necessary? Why do we need a Tier system for? Can we develop better stoves without it, or not?

If it is indispensable, then the Tier system must mean something, it must be reliable.

« c.   Assuming that this comes up at the ETHOS meeting starting tomorrow - how would you recommend GACC handling that vote, if there is one? »

I would recommend that the GACC discuss openly and transparently this question, and that the participants give their opinion.

I would recommend everyone to read the studies and the alternative protocols, first. If no one knows what the problem is about, it is difficult to talk about solutions.

Then the participants could express what are their needs in terms of testing, and what they think are their potential difficulties in transitioning from the WBT to other lab protocols. As I said previously, I don’t think there are many difficulties in making this transition.

And if some participants want to work towards the development of new and better protocols, more adapted to their needs, then that should be encouraged too.

« d.   What is your response to an observation that this appears to be a reaction against char-making stoves? »

Who makes this observation? This call is not a reaction against any technology. As far as I am concerned, I have nothing against char-making stoves, much on the contrary. I think Moulindu Banerjee project in North-East India is a formidable success story.

Char-making stoves will survive the end of the WBT. If there is a need for a new ways/protocols to measure their benefits, then we should foster such work.

Best,

Xavier

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Envoyé : jeudi 25 janvier 2018 22:59
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Objet : Re: [Stoves] A call to stop using the WBT

Xavier, list and ccs

            Four questions:

            a.   What are some characteristics of the new test you propose to replace the WBT?  

            b.   What happens to the Tier system that is now based on the WBT?

            c.   Assuming that this comes up at the ETHOS meeting starting tomorrow - how would you recommend GACC handling that vote, if there is one?

            d.   What is your response to an observation that this appears to be a reaction against char-making stoves?

Ron

On Jan 25, 2018, at 8:24 AM, Xavier Brandao <xav.brandao at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Anh, dear Michael,

Thank you for your comments.

I feel that sentence in the call is not clear. Of course, we are not talking about punishing those who are currently using the WBT in their projects, nor taking away stoves that have been developed with WBT, and are or have been disseminated.

Funders have funded projects which testing protocol basis was the WBT, stoves have been developed, fine. There are, still, despite the WBT mess, good stoves and good projects that were developed. Certainly, as we discussed previously, a lot of potential has been wasted because of unreliable results. But past is past.

Now, funders and donors are preparing new grants and programmes. Today, there is no excuse that a project or programme success depends upon a testing protocol that was at multiple times demonstrated erroneous and unreliable. This shouldn't happen anymore.

We cannot fund projects anymore based on a protocol which is, literally, a roll of the dice.

Does that sound reasonable to you? If not, why?

Thanks again,

Xavier

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On 25 January 2018 at 09:25, Michael N Trevor <mntrevor at gmail.com> wrote:

In the middle of the Pacific with what are they going to do come take away my stoves?

I dare you to try it---

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 8:07 PM, Anh Nguyen <ntanh72 at gmail.com> wrote:

You said in your call "as well as stop funding or supporting projects, programmes and companies who use the WBT". So in your view, everyone who use WBT should be punished regardless of what good they are doing for the world? 

Sorry, I can not and will not support such call.

Anh

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Tom Miles <tmiles at trmiles.com> wrote:

Dear everyone,

I would like to share with you this call, which is the continuation of the initiative that was addressed to the GACC.

So a few of us have decided to make a call to the stakeholders of the stove sector, to stop using the WBT, and to use and develop scientifically valid protocols instead.

Please find the documents of the call attached.

Please find below the list of the call signees:

*	Adam Creighton, Independent consultant
*	Ashiq Ahamed, Senior Project Manager, TIDE
*	Camilla Fulland, Senior Adviser and former CEO of Prime Stoves, Norad
*	Cecil Cook, Independent expert, Stove anthropologist
*	Crispin Pemberton-Piggott, Adjunct Professor, China Agricultural University
*	Harold Annegarn, South Africa Adjunct Professor, North West University
*	Jan-Carel Diehl, Assistant Professor - Design for Sustainability, Delft University
*	Jiddu Broersma, Technology Officer, Prakti
*	Jorund Buen, CEO, Prime Stoves
*	Miel Alanna, Independent consultant
*	Mouhsine Serrar, CEO, Prakti
*	Nikhil Desai, Independant expert
*	Nithya Ramanathan, CEO, NexLeaf
*	Partha Talukder, Business Manager, Prakti
*	Paul Medwell, Associate Professor, University of Adelaide
*	Peter Scott, CEO, Burn Manufacturing 
*	Robert J van der Plas, Independent expert, University of Adelaide
*	Sujatha Srinivasan, Director, Servals
*	Todd Albi, General Manager, Silver Fire
*	Vahid Jahangiri, Deputy Director, ILF
*	Wouter Kersten, Co-ordinator Context Variation by Design
*	Xavier Brandao, Independent

If you have comments, questions, remarks about this call, don’t hesitate to react.

If you believe this is important, join us! And contribute to a much needed change in stove testing and research.

Thanks!

Xavier

Xvr.brandao at gmail.com

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