[Stoves] Must reed: Re: [stove] ProPublica article out

Fri Jul 13 07:33:59 CDT 2018

Xavier,             (Note:  This and many stove messages by Paul 
Anderson are placed at the   Posts   section of   www.drtlud.com ).

What you wrote (below) could be correct in many ways.  But I say (like a 
broken record, over and over again) that the TLUD micro-gasifier stoves 
do already exist and are shown to do the job for clean cooking and to be 
acceptable by the people and to be financially favorable (as shown in 
the West Bengal area with 40,000 households.)   But without the scale-up 
funding for the West Bengal methodology, the progressive expansion to 
more houses is quite slow.

The  TLUD success story is regardless or in spite of the WBT issues..

The problem of the non-TLUD stoves is that they really are NOT good 
enough to meet the expectations and requirements of the people. Fixing 
the testing methods is not going to fix those issues. Better testing 
would then become a call for another round of trying to get sticks to 
burn, when in fact the TLUD stoves are quite cleanly burning Pyrolytic 
BioGas (PBG) (or woodgas or pyro-gas) that the stove makes from the 
biomass.

There are a few of us who keep working on the TLUD stoves.   But the 
work is not about showing that PBG in a TLUD stove burns cleanly. We 
know that it does.   Certainly there can be improvements (such as by the 
work of Kirk Harris).  But my TLUD stove efforts now are about scale-up 
and finacial support (that can be repaid!!!).

And now the battles are becoming harder because of:
1.  The reporting of the non-success of the regular (non-gasifier) stoves,
2.  Bad publicity for the GACC (being called another failure of 
cookstove efforts)
3.  Constant bickering about testing methods
4.  The "glorification" of LPG for cookstoves for impoverished people, 
but LPG cannot reach even 50% of the world-wide need.

I am still optimistic that TLUD stoves will eventually get the attention 
they deserve, and to be dis-associated from the stick burners.  And then 
to receive the support to scale-up level by level in an expanding list 
of countries.   Bring on the pellet fuels, and the fan-assisted TLUDs, 
and the non-wood (agro-refuse) fuels, and the carbon credit benefits, 
and even the possible adoption of TLUD stoves by the promoters of the 
failing stick-burners (They are fully welcomed).   For TLUD stoves, the 
future is still very bright, but it could be brighter without the 
haze/fog/smoke of the non-successful stoves.

Paul

Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com

On 7/13/2018 5:05 AM, Xavier Brandao wrote:
>
> Dear Paul,
>
> Thanks for sharing this very good paper.
>
> It brings a good reflection upon all those years. Yet it still didn’t 
> answer the question: why didn’t it work?
>
> Because the improved cookstoves were not adopted. But why?
>
> The stoves were not adopted because they were not good enough. The 
> problem is not a problem of adoption, of customers. The stoves were, 
> and still are the problem. If the first Iphone was 3000 USD, with an 
> autonomy of 20 minutes, and very slow when navigating, no one would 
> have bought it -> back to the R&D and engineering department, try 
> again and better.
>
> For the improved cookstove sector:
>
> -A lot of investment in combustion and stove R&D was needed: it never 
> happened
>
> -The GACC needed to address the problem of the WBT as soon as there 
> were concerns with it. The GACC never did. Even now, July 2018, the 
> first testing protocol on the GACC website is still the WBT. Results: 
> the WBT kept testers and manufacturers into a swamp of 
> under-performing stoves with over-performing results.
>
> -Poor products were developed, tested, distributed in villages, and 
> ended-up like Cummins stoves.
>
> One needs to admit his/her mistake, before being able to correct them 
> and move forward. This never happened.
>
> There’s little mystery behind that global failure.
>
> Best,
>
> Xavier
>
> *De :*Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] *De la 
> part de* Paul Anderson
> *Envoyé :* jeudi 12 juillet 2018 23:12
> *À :* Stoves and biofuels network
> *Objet :* [Stoves] Must reed: Re: [stove] ProPublica article out
>
> Stovers,
>
> I thank Kirk Smith for getting the ProPublica article to our attention 
> as soon as it became available.
>
> Read.    Perhaps weep.    Work harder.   Learn about the opposition to 
> biomass stoves.
>
> Personally, I am disappointed that there was not a glimmer of 
> recognition of what the TLUD micro-gasifiers HAVE ACCOMPLISHED and 
> have shown to be possible in terms of (A) quite clean cookstoves, (B) 
> STRONG user acceptance, and (C) that carbon credits ARE working with 
> TLUD gasifiers.   The authors (and those who were interviewed and 
> quoted) seem to be totally unaware of the REPORTED IN 2016 success in 
> the Deganga pilot study with 11,000 Champion TLUD stoves (see 
> www.drtlud.com/deganga2016 <http://www.drtlud.com/deganga2016> )    
> And lesser known is that the  number of households has invreased to 
> about 40,000.   And we are looking for funding for scale up for the 
> larger numbers.
>
> But this article will make it even more difficult to get funding for 
> scale-up of the TLUD stove success story.   However, if it can stop 
> wasted money on the UNsuccessful stove-types that are indicated (but 
> not named) in the article, I am not against that.
>
> This is now mid-2018.   The GACC will claim success to reach 100 
> million households by 2020 on the basis of LPG stoves in India.   And 
> then what????
>
> Read the article.   It is worthy of some discussion here on the Stoves 
> Listserv..
>
> Paul
>
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>
> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website:www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com>
>
>
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