[Stoves] SPAM: SPAM AW: The Economist

Mon Sep 10 11:24:10 CDT 2018

Chris, 

Thank you very much for your comments and observations. Your post did go to the list and is in the archives.

Tom 

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I was posting this article as spam, can someone copy it and post it for me thanks (its just frustrating typing an article for an hour an than not be able to send it.....)

Subject: Wood fuel plantation for sustainable charcoal production 

Dear All,

i was told or i did read that in Rwanda it’s one of the unique countries in Africa where wood fuel plantations are popular with the farmers population and charcoal production is kind of regenerative (peri-urban fuel-wood plantation, perennial cash crop and fuel).

However recently I visited the area of Bahir Dar (Lake Tana) in Ethiopia and I was very much surprised seeing many wood fuel plantation from about 50km on along the road to Addis Abeba. Piles of timber everywehre!  Actually the charcoal production in this area has a status of being legal due to the wood plantations. Mainly a eucalyptus kind is used up to the town of Marawi and Dubate. The wood is transported by donkeys chariots to central place to sort out the wood into 3 categories: wood for construction, wood for fuelwood, wood for carbonization.
The eucalyptus tree plantation are used for several harvesting cycles as new shoots are growing from the stems cut.
We might launch an EU financed project to introduce retort kilns. We might have one obstacle: now the workers are used to operate large earth mound kilns (28 steps to walk around), but retort kilns (adam-retort) only have a 3m³ relatively small wood chamber.

After the town of Addis Kidami mainly an acacias tree is planted. There is a different harvesting method, after about 5 years of growing, the trees including the root stunk are harvested and are decentralised carbonized at the place. The plantation is later transferred into an agricultural teff grain filed. Interestingly the farmers already discovered that at the places where charcoal was made, a “bio char” effect is visible and they start to distribute some of the charcoal dust over their fields.

Chris A.

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Datum: 2018-09-10T02:32:50+0200

Von: "Ronal W. Larson" <rongretlarson at comcast.net <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net> >

An: "Discussion of biomass" <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org <mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org> >, "Norbert Senf" <norbert.senf at gmail.com <mailto:norbert.senf at gmail.com> >

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I couldn't learn much about the two instruments you mention below.  But I sense they are not appropriate for those who are trying to improve cookstoves that have to saleablefor less than $50 (better $25).  As someone who does testing, any simple low-cost test systems for CO and PM2.5 you can recommend for small stoves ?

Ron

On Sep 9, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Norbert Senf <norbert.senf at gmail.com <mailto:norbert.senf at gmail.com> > wrote:

Ha, ha, it is not the "feds" that was the worry. The comment came from a meeting, that included regulators, where the discussion turned to the new mandatory on-site testing requirement for PM for domestic installations in Germany. The German regulation was made contingent on the development of mobile PM testing equipment, which they now have (Wohler 500, Testo 380). The Americans at the meeting noted that this could never be implemented in the U.S. because you would need to issue bullet-proof vests for the inspectors ;-)   .......N

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 11:26 AM, Nikhil Desai <ndesai at alum.mit.edu <mailto:ndesai at alum.mit.edu> > wrote:

Norbert:

You reminded me of a movie ~1970/2 about illegal distilleries in parts of Appalachia. The US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms -- the synergistic confluence of public interest - were known as "the Feds", as was the FBI.

What struck me was the smoke from wood burning in backyard stills.

No wonder the northeast electric utility engineers I worked with called the EPA as "the Feds", using language similar to that of the hooch makers of rural Tennessee (who had lost their lands to the Federal government when TVA was created in the 1930s.)

I still cannot tell if WHO is a hooch maker or BATF-style kitchen kops.

An old colleague moved to Montreal ten years ago; used to work on clean air and climate policy with me. I will ask him about the stove change out. In US, the problem isn't the guns of the Feds but resistance of state and local governments to interference by the EPA, science running amok with political steroids. Just as with GACC.

Nikhil 

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Norbert Senf
Masonry Stove Builders
25 Brouse Road, RR 5
Shawville Québec J0X 2Y0
819.647.5092
www.heatkit.com <http://www.heatkit.com/> 

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