[Stoves] SUBSIDY for new CO2e emissions tops US$150 per ton

[xvr.brandao at gmail.com]

Hi all,

I don't read much this list anymore, nor do I have the time for that.
But I skim read sometimes.

"The trouble I find with your posts Nikhil are that they are  so terse and
lacking in any reasoning for your disdain that they can easily be
misinterpreted."
I couldn't agree more with what Andrew said.

There's a big issue with Nikhil's rhetoric, there has been one for a long
time if you want my opinion.
Difficult to know what his intentions are, but I always found his rhetoric
harmful, and not aiming towards clarity and problem-solving.
Using ad-hominem arguments in hundreds of posts all year long takes its
toll.
I once used a certain term to qualify that.

These were just my 2 cents.

Good luck everyone with your projects, hope you are making good progress.

Best,

Xavier



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Objet : Re: [Stoves] SUBSIDY for new CO2e emissions tops US$150 per ton

On Mon, 27 May 2019 at 13:26, Nikhil Desai <pienergy2008 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Kirk H.
>
> You are supposing and pre-supposing too much.

The trouble I find with your posts Nikhil are that they are  so terse and
lacking in any reasoning for your disdain that they can easily be
misinterpreted.


>
> I suggest you find a definition of subsidy in an encyclopedia or
dictionary of economics before you lecture me about economics.

This is the nub: the post by Paul  calls what I would consider "non
attributed external costs" a subsidy. This is indeed misleading because it
makes it seem the providers of fossil fuels receive a payment for doings so.
In fact  no money changes hands in the same way that renewable energy
receives direct payments as an incentive (with which I am entirely sanguine
about) but also they do not have to pay for any perceived damage done by the
use of fossil fuels. This has ever been the case simply because often when a
resource is exploited, in order for a business to make profit from it, the
true costs to the environment are not known. It is only with time that the
governance system can recognise the problem and regulate it. We have seen
this from abandoned mining activities through to waste from nuclear power
plants.

It is known as "the tragedy of the commons"

Not that any of the above relates to [stoves]

Andrew

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