[Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 111, Issue 4

Tue Nov 5 00:05:28 CST 2019

Re NAIROBI.

Have fun in the sun all of you and enjoy Nairobbery ;-)
regards from Rocket Works

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>    1. Re: Charcoal stoves for Pacific Islands (Nikhil Desai)
>    2. Re: Meeting on Rock Beds at CCA Forum, Nairobi, November 7
>       (Christa Roth (bioenergylist))
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 18:44:28 -0400
> From: Nikhil Desai <pienergy2008 at gmail.com>
> To: Todd Albi <todd.r.albi at gmail.com>
> Cc: Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott at outlook.com>, David Stein
>         <ambwat at gmail.com>,  Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
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> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Charcoal stoves for Pacific Islands
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> Todd:
>
> I wonder what you meant by your claim "Producing charcoal is not viable or
> sustainable in the Pacific."
>
> Charcoal can be made anywhere, and there is plenty of biomass transported
> from one side of the Efate island - where Port Vila, the capital is located
> -  to another. (Efate was the only island with a circular road, and wood
> was collected and transported to the city by truck. In a horrendously
> tragic accident sometime in mid-2009, the young son of a man I had met just
> a month or so earlier fell off from top of the wood truck and was killed.)
>
> I imagine the demand for charcoal came from some restaurants and similar
> commercial food preparers and some from homes with women who also worked
> outside home and thus didn't have the time to mess with wood.  Electricity
> was around 30-50 USc/kWh and LPG probably around $3.50-4 per kg, so limited
> to some commercial and high-income residential customers. (I had electric
> and gas cooking, and solar water heater.)
>
> Not only did i see charcoal piles myself in the city's central market, here
> is a story from a few years after I left.
>
>
> https://dailypost.vu/news/municipal-wardens-clamp-down-on-use-of-plastic-bags/article_22856d26-cf04-5961-8a6c-a79ebf3f1173.html
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>
>  Ceramic or not, charcoal stoves have a market in Vila.
>
> Nikhil
>
> PS: Charcoal says a lot about urbanization and energy sector policies.
>
> I can still recall my first meeting with David Stein who shocked me with
> his observation "In one generation, Melanesians and other Pacific Islanders
> have gone from traditional root carbs to rice, implicated in a sharp rise
> in diabetes."
>
> I had just a year earlier done some field research in India where I had
> discovered something similar - rice, in particular the milled white rice,
> had nearly wiped out other grains considered "poor people's staple" (e.g.,
> millet), and that rice was also easier to grow. But this was different. So
> my reaction to David was, "Astounding! Why?"
>
> For the first time ever in my life, someone I had just met told me,
> "Nikhil, you are not as smart as you think you are. The reason is simply
> what you were boasting about a few minutes ago, telling Liz Bates that one
> way to save energy in cooking was eating out. People have switched from
> root carbs to rice because it is easier and faster to cook. Same with pasta
> and buying ready food at the Chinese shops."
>
> I didn't have to begin a discussion on charcoal or LPG or the silliness of
> woodfuel efficiency pursuit when wood is ample. David had confirmed my
> hypotheses about charcoal and that more efficient charcoal stoves were an
> easier sell than similar wood stoves. Urbanization opens up the
> opportunities for women outside home, and the value on girls' education
> goes up; both, in turn, raise the value of convenience, flexibility, in
> cooking. Charcoal wins hands down once there is a stable, sizable market.
> Kerosene and LPG come in too unless electricity is dirt cheap, as someone
> recently reminded me about one of the 'stans sometime.
>
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> Nikhil Desai
> (US +1) 202 568 5831
> *Skype: nikhildesai888*
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>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 1:36 PM Todd Albi <todd.r.albi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > None:
> >
> > We have sent humanitarian containers to the Pacific successfully using
> our
> > SilverFire rocket stoves with palm fronds on the beach.  The renewable
> > spathe is torn into strips and utilized for cooking.  Producing charcoal
> is
> > not viable or sustainable in the Pacific and having them rely on
> > commercially dependent charcoal is inappropriate.
> >
> > Todd Albi, SilverFire
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> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:36:41 +0300
> From: Christa Roth (bioenergylist) <stoves at foodandfuel.info>
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
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> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Meeting on Rock Beds at CCA Forum, Nairobi,
>         November 7
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> Kevin, we are in the Capital Heights Hotel just up the road from the
> Radisson talking biochar and TLUD devices with Paul Anderson and some
> people from Malawi and Kenya
> Regards Christa
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> Am 03.11.2019 um 18:17 schrieb K McLean <info at sun24.solar <mailto:
> info at sun24.solar>>:
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> Is anyone else here in Nairobi, yet?  I'm here and I'm bored.  Kevin
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 10:37 AM K McLean <info at sun24.solar <mailto:
> info at sun24.solar>> wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
>
>
> Next week many of us will meet at the Alliance for Clean Cooking Forum in
> Nairobi to discuss a host of exciting cooking topics.
>
>
>
> One extraordinary innovation is cooking on a rock-bed, which offers a
> zero-cost solution that saves significant amounts of fuel and smoke, and
> purportedly adopted by millions of households already.
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>
>
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>
> In an informal setting we like to present the experiences with the NGO Sun
> 24 and SNV.
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>
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> In the morning, you are welcome to join us and meet with Kenyan cooks and
> trainers who can share their experiences.
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>
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> After lunch, a comprehensive presentation will be provided on tests
> results conducted by SNV Vietnam (WBT, CCT and KPT) and Sun 24?s
> accomplishments in dissemination and other innovations, through videos,
> photos and testimonies.
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>
>
> We like to get your interest to strengthen M&E efforts, and to take a
> joint action to implement this where and whenever appropriate.
>
>
>
> I hope you can find the opportunity to come by, please let Bastiaan or me
> know if you are available. If not, please tap on our shoulders at the
> various network moments.
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>
>
> See more on Sun24 Rock Bed Flyer <
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1wGw60_7ITjdtoyCvRtr29UnHruzwq04fIEukcJUipcc%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=02%7C01%7Cbteune%40snv.org%7C6d6de401170743ec0d3608d75c799103%7C44b97030a737446183c04f575c209c43%7C0%7C0%7C637079549503098231&sdata=BViJa6pfy5ftN%2BzaYBqZPfsCwo1AMjisv%2FIcGPbqShg%3D&reserved=0>
> and
> https://snv.org/update/cooking-rocks-measuring-significant-fuel-savings-through-simple-solutions
> <
> https://snv.org/update/cooking-rocks-measuring-significant-fuel-savings-through-simple-solutions
> >
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> Thursday November 7
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> 10.00-12.00 hours: walk in; 13.00-15.00 hours: presentations
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> Nyati Meeting Room
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> Nairobi Radisson Blue
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> Kevin McLean info at sun24.solar <mailto:info at sun24.solar>
> and
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> Bastiaan Teune bteune at snv.org <mailto:bteune at snv.org>
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> Kevin McLean, President
> Sun24
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