[Stoves] Biochar Friday before ETHOS meeting.......RE: [Biochar] [tluds] ETHOS and low-cost TLUDs
Elisa Derby
elisa.derby at berkeley.edu
Tue Jan 21 10:20:22 CST 2020
Hi Paul,
We (ETHOS) only have the Baymont meeting room reserved on Friday from 1pm
on-- you could check with them about prior availability, at least for the
part that is not the breakfast space. The projector we're using is from
Apro, which Sam has agreed to bring by 1pm on Friday, which is when I'm
also arriving from Boston. Sorry I don't have suggestions on where else to
get a projector!
best,
Elisa
On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 4:16 PM Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
> Elisa,
>
>
>
> Can the Biochar Friday group please use in the morning (9 AM onward) the
> projector and computer that ETHOS will be having in the afternoon in the
> meeting room at Baymont Inn this coming Friday? Is there someone (the
> supplier of the equipment for ETHOS Friday) that you (or I) could contact
> about the projection equipment?
>
>
>
> To all: Depending on Elisa’s reply, we may or may not have facilities to
> present PowerPoint or other things at our Biochar Friday session in the
> morning.
>
>
>
> I expect to have my computer with me, and there could be others. But I
> have no arrangements for getting a projector. Does a “local person” have
> a projector he or she could bring?
>
>
>
> Otherwise, we could be huddled around a laptop computer screen, or making
> word pictures.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com
>
> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu Skype: paultlud
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> Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
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>
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> and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
>
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>
> with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean
> cookstoves.
>
>
>
> *From:* tluds at Biochar.groups.io <tluds at Biochar.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Francesco
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> *Subject:* Re: Biochar Friday before ETHOS meeting.......RE: [Biochar]
> [tluds] ETHOS and low-cost TLUDs
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> Paul,
>
>
>
> I will be attending the Friday AM discussion. I would like to share local
> (No Olympic Peninsula and San Juan Islands) making and use of biochar using
> repurposed flame cap kilns.
>
>
>
> Did you envision present with the use of pictures or powerpoint? If so,
> will there be a projector and computer available so that I bring what I
> have on a thumb drive.
>
>
>
> Thanks for coordinating this Paul,
>
> Francesco
>
>
>
> We know more about the stars overhead than the soil underfoot.
>
> Leonardo Da Vinci
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 8:59 PM Paul S Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> The “Biochar Friday” meeting will still take place at the Baymont Inn in
> Kirkland starting on Friday at 8 AM with casual greetings (and breakfast
> from the adjoining room for those staying at the Baymont, and coffee for
> those who are not). We will use the first hour to get ourselves
> introduced and to define who has what to present to the group.
>
>
>
> Sorry that Tom Miles will not be able to attend. I am expecting at least
> 5 people, and maybe 15. But this is a no-fee no-registration event that
> is based on who will be attending.
>
>
>
> There could be others, but at least I will have information to share about
> my latest version of the 4C kiln. It has sufficiently strong results
> that I am submitting a Provisional Patent Application (PPA) before the
> Friday session. I will still be working on a private and confidential
> basis for disclosure, with no notes or report about the 4C kiln provided,
> as will be explained at the Friday session. I will be seeking comments
> and looking for several “early adopters” to trial the 4C kiln under
> different conditions and feedstocks. Those details will be discussed at
> the gathering.
>
>
>
> And we will probably have an open (fully public) discussion the various
> viewpoints about patents, as have been discussed this past week on the
> Biochar listserv.
>
>
>
> I think that Norm Baker will have some comments about his large TLUD
> work. Everyone in attendance will have opportunities to speak.
>
>
>
> We technically have the room until noon, and probably until the next usage
> of the room starts at 1:30 PM for the ETHOS “pre-show”.
>
>
>
> (I am now receiving the messages from that Stoves Listserv (via a
> different address, but I reply via my main address that is
> psanders at ilstu.edu )
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com
>
> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu Skype: paultlud
>
> Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
>
> Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
>
> Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org to support woodgas (TLUD) projects
>
> incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits
>
> and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
>
> Author of “*A Capitalist Carol*” (free digital copies at
> www.capitalism21.org)
>
> with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean
> cookstoves.
>
>
>
> *From:* tluds at Biochar.groups.io <tluds at Biochar.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Tom
> Miles via Groups.Io
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 18, 2020 5:46 PM
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> winter.julien at gmail.com>; Biochar at groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [Biochar] [tluds] ETHOS and low-cost TLUDs
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> Paul,
>
>
>
> Due to business travel I wil be unable to join a biochar discussion at
> ETHOS on Friday. I will attend on Saturday and Sunday.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* main at Biochar.groups.io <main at Biochar.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Paul
> S Anderson
> *Sent:* Friday, December 06, 2019 8:17 PM
> *To:* tluds at Biochar.groups.io; Julien Winter <winter.julien at gmail.com>;
> Biochar at groups.io
> *Cc:* Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu>; Discussion of biomass cooking
> stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Biochar] [tluds] ETHOS and low-cost TLUDs
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Note to all: Check how you are receiving this email. This TLUD
> discussion is ongoing on the tluds at Biochar.groups.io special
> purpose list serve. If interested in this topic, you need to join that
> group because only occasionally will the TLUD topics be sent to the regular
> longer established Listservs of Biochar and of Stoves.
>
>
>
> 1. Ron and all, I will attend ETHOS 2020 and will assist with the
> display of the posters related to TLUD stoves (and related biochar
> topics). I could (will likely) add on a poster or be in cooperation
> with the other posters being proposed. I agree that posters will get more
> attention than if we have a single concurrent session and only a few
> persons attend our session (preaching to the choir). Our posters could
> essentially be like a linear display on tables spreading down the long
> corridor, maybe with a few TLUDs on display also.. VERY visible and there
> is plenty of break-time to reach the attendees. I am letting Elisa Derby
> (head of ETHOS) know of these discussions that relate to ETHOS. We will
> make sure that we will be compatible with whatever ETHOS instructs us.
>
>
>
> 2. Would others with TLUD topics like to be included in this way? I
> will not have a presentation at a concurrent session; I have proposed a
> plenary session (still being reviewed) that is relevant to the whole stoves
> sector, not just TLUD stoves.
>
>
>
> 3. Who of the TLUD group will be attending ETHOS next month? Kevin
> (about the useful stoves), and myself (working in India now abouit a lower
> cost TLUD stove). Who else?
>
> Also, Ron and Julien will each send a poster.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com
>
> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu Skype: paultlud
>
> Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
>
> Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
>
> Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org to support woodgas (TLUD) projects
>
> incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits
>
> and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
>
> Author of “*A Capitalist Carol*” (free digital copies at
> www.capitalism21.org)
>
> with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean
> cookstoves.
>
>
>
> *From:* tluds at Biochar.groups.io <tluds at Biochar.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Ron
> Larson via Groups.Io
> *Sent:* Friday, December 6, 2019 9:01 PM
> *To:* tluds at biochar.groups.io; Julien Winter <winter.julien at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [tluds] ETHOS and low-cost TLUDs
>
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> Julien and subgroup:
>
>
>
> Thanks for the update.
>
>
>
> I think Kevin won’t mind handling your poster as well as his/mine. 10%
> more work for him. My perception of the Akha is that it must be among the
> top TLUD stove designs where biochar is driving the production. Another is
> the Lucia from Nat Mulcahy. Probably Paul Anderson can report some biochar
> use. We need more data on any stove producing biochar. Norm Baker has
> great biochar success but his char is not from a stove (only flared
> gases). Anyone else?
>
>
>
> I have spent the whole day with pen and paper and have decided my
> tentative outline (below) needs space on the future customer base, the
> competitors, some goals, costs, etc.
>
> So I am now thinking that will now occur in a large box 7. The former box
> 7 (air controls will be combined with box 6 (pyro unit),and the new boxes
> 2, 4 and 6 will be narrower, allowing more to be put in the right-side
> boxes 3, 5, and 7. Box 1 smaller, and box 8 larger.
>
> I need three posters.
>
>
>
> Anyone have recommendations on what the ETHOS group needs to hear re
> char-making stoves for the global income deciles 1 and 2?
>
>
>
> See below also.
>
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2019, at 2:56 PM, winter.julien <winter.julien at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Ronal;
>
>
>
> I will be sending along a summary document of the Akha shortly. Some
> material may be used from that for a poster. Or, I may mail a stand-along
> poster on the Akha.
>
>
>
> I will not be attending ETHOS this year, although I would like to. I
> don't feel I can justify the CO2 emissions from flying.
>
>
>
> *[RWL: Me too.*
>
>
>
> *Thanks again.*
>
>
>
> *Ron*
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julien.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 2:41 PM Ron Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> Sublist group:
>
> New Topic: Getting ETHOS attendees to be thinking of TLUDs for
> those now using 3-stone stoves
>
> Kevin McLean has put in an abstract for the January ETHOS meeting
> for the two of us on the above topic. This is to ask for your guidance -
> on how to get a low cost TLUD across. How to get the larger stove
> community (not a biochar community) interested in helping the very poorest
> in the world. Helping them and getting their help as well. What would YOU
> put on a poster?
>
> I am computer-storag- limited today - but will come back later
> with something more complete. Thinking 8 boxes on the poster: two broad
> at the top and bottom, and two columns with 3 rows.
>
> 1. the Title- Something like "TLUDs to Replace 3-Stone Stoves?”
> (Emphasis throughout to be on the “?” Large font here. Name of McLean
> and Larson and ?? and e-mail addresses.
>
> 2. The top left box might be on commercially available TLUDs as we
> generally know them. - Too high a first cost for the very poor. But show
> at least Akha and biochar in Bangladesh
>
> 3.. The top right box with the three (or more??) modifications we have
> been discussing - all oriented on very low prices through three (?) new (?)
> ideas:
> a a horizontal shift of the chimney to create a plancha
> b. Use of the ground - and likely a pit therein
> c. The use of OLODs (totally enclosed, externally heated
> biomass. Might drop this one.
> d. Other new?
>
> 4. Middle left: The chimney portion. What materials and height?
>
> 5. Middle right: The plancha and pit; the OLOD here. How many cook
> pots needed at once? What height?
>
> 6. Lower left: The pyrolysis can; Emphasis on movement in and out of
> “pit"
>
> 7. Lower right: Air supply controls
>
> 8. Bottom banner: Problems related to local production for the poor who
> are now using 3-stones (with zero upfrontt costs , but lousy efficiency),
> and zero char production.
>
>
> Any immediate thoughts on how to do this well? What name do we give to
> this other than TLUD?
>
> Any chance we can get an efficiency measurement in next 4-5 weeks?
> (Planchas generally have poor efficiency. Do we care? (More coming on new
> thoughts there)
>
> Generally will need to compare to rockets.
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Julien Winter
> Cobourg, ON, CANADA
>
>
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