[Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 136, Issue 1
Norman Baker
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Thu Dec 2 12:18:36 CST 2021
Aaron;
Please tell us more about your TLUD. Video is interesting and beautiful.
Norm
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> Here is a video I made of a TLUD Natural Draft stove that has adjustable
> Secondary Air. This stove is burning wood pellets.
>
> The long wavy flames have as much secondary air turned off as
> possible. The tight blue flames are the result of almost maximum secondary
> air pre-mixed into the wood gas. During the video I am adjusting the air
> flow up and down to show the results of different air/fuel ratios.
>
> I believe these kinds of flames are only possible with very good pre
> mixing, which until now has been very difficult to control and keep lit.
>
> https://youtu.be/yKPfAlPXCMY
>
> Anyway, I thought someone around here might be interested in these results.
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> Feel free to Email me at awingle at hotmail.com
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> Thank you for your time,
>
> Aaron Wingle
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> Dear Paul:
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> In my view, the following aspects comes to mind when selecting a stove for
> a particular project:
>
> Cultural aspects: what type of cooking is done: frying, cooking, oven
> baking or baking over a griddle? The ergonomics of the cooking: at table
> level or ground level?
>
> Socio economics: will the community pay for the stove, partial pay or no
> payment at all? My experience is that when people do not pay anything, the
> care of the stove is more likely neglected, versus when there is some
> cost-sharing the beneficiary does take better care of the stove. We have
> had cases where we had to reinforce our casted concrete stoves against
> border breakage with a metal border, due to poor care by extremely poor
> beneficiaries.
>
> Geography: Is the weather cold (indoor cooking) or hot (outdoor cooking),
> and the ventilation patterns? Stove with lateral heat loss may be
> interesting for space heating, and for outdoors cooking a chimney may not
> be necessary.....
>
> Fuel availability: Will there be plenty of fuel available and at what
> cost? What type of fuel does the stove need? Some stoves, for instance,
> may need very small firewood sticks, and perhaps beneficiaries may be
> resistant to spending time splitting the wood. There are cases that
> beneficiaries modified the stove fuel entrance, for larger firewood, which
> changed the stove performance.
>
> Stove assembly: An off the shelf stove will be easier, faster and cheaper
> to install? or a localy built stove that may require a stove master to set
> it up?
>
> Just some quick thoughts about it....
>
> Rog?rio
>
>
> Em qua., 17 de nov. de 2021 ?s 12:32, Paul Arveson <paularveson at gmail.com>
> escreveu:
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> > Colleagues:
> > I would like to know if any of you have prepared a document to guide
> > project planners in selecting an appropriate stove for a particular
> > location. What site and user considerations are important?
> >
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> Hi Aaron
> Very beautiful! Is it a forced draft?
> Veronica
>
> On Thursday, December 2, 2021, 01:36:55 AM GMT, A J <
> awingle at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here is a video I made of a TLUD Natural Draft stove that has adjustable
> Secondary Air.? This stove is burning wood pellets.??
> ? ? ? The long wavy flames have as much secondary air turned off as
> possible.? The tight blue flames are the result of almost maximum secondary
> air pre-mixed into the wood gas.? During the video I am adjusting the air
> flow up and down to show the results of different air/fuel ratios.
> I believe these kinds of flames are only possible with very good pre
> mixing, which until now has been very difficult to control and keep lit.??
> https://youtu.be/yKPfAlPXCMY
>
> Anyway, I thought someone around here might be interested in these
> results.??
> Feel free to Email me at awingle at hotmail.com
> Thank you for your time,
> Aaron Wingle
>
>
>
>
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> From: Rogerio carneiro de miranda <carneirodemiranda at gmail.com>
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> ??????? <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] stove selection
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> Dear Paul:
>
> In my view, the following aspects comes to mind when selecting a stove for
> a particular project:
>
> Cultural aspects:? what type of cooking is done: frying, cooking, oven
> baking or baking over a griddle??? The ergonomics of the cooking:? at table
> level or ground level?
>
> Socio economics: will the community pay for the stove, partial pay or no
> payment at all?? My experience is that when people do not pay anything, the
> care of the stove is more likely neglected, versus when there is some
> cost-sharing the beneficiary does take better care of the stove.?? We have
> had cases where we had to reinforce our casted concrete stoves against
> border breakage with a metal border, due to poor care by extremely poor
> beneficiaries.
>
> Geography:? Is the weather cold (indoor cooking) or hot? (outdoor cooking),
> and the ventilation patterns?? Stove with lateral heat loss may be
> interesting for space heating, and for outdoors cooking a chimney may not
> be necessary.....
>
> Fuel availability:? Will there be plenty of fuel available and at what
> cost?? What type of fuel does the stove need?? Some stoves, for instance,
> may need very small firewood sticks, and perhaps beneficiaries may be
> resistant to spending time splitting the wood. There? are cases that
> beneficiaries modified the stove fuel entrance, for larger firewood, which
> changed the stove performance.
>
> Stove assembly:? An off the shelf stove will be easier, faster and cheaper
> to install? or a localy built stove that may require a stove master to set
> it up?
>
> Just some quick thoughts about it....
>
> Rog?rio
>
>
> Em qua., 17 de nov. de 2021 ?s 12:32, Paul Arveson <paularveson at gmail.com>
> escreveu:
>
> > Colleagues:
> > I would like to know if any of you have prepared a document to guide
> > project planners in selecting an appropriate stove for a particular
> > location.? What site and user considerations are important?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Paul Arveson
> >
> >
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