[Stoves] SPAM Re: SPAM RE: [Biochar] Charcoal producing electrical power plant

Tue Oct 26 04:12:14 CDT 2021

The other feature about how Alex managed the char discharge was that it was
through a water bath which not only quenched the chr but provided an air
seal too.

I think the problem was finding a market for the char which was worth more
than the heat value forgone. I didn't realise the slash wood he was using
was not virgin timber so that would have militated against its use as
biochar.

Andrew

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 03:10, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:

> Dear Friends
>
> I concur with Ron's memory. I have seen the unit in Alex English's
> workplace when running. It is a chain grate combustor burning hammer-milled
> construction waste with a particle size between 2 and 12 inches.  I once
> saw 500 tons of it on the premises. Apparently these days the price has
> made it economically unviable.
>
> The chain grate burner produced heat for greenhouses which gives you an
> idea about the sale of the op.  By setting the speed of the chain grate.
> Alex could make ask only, small kibble sized char, or larger as he wished.
> This addresses the problem raised by Paul.
>
> Alex solved all the problems of loading a few dozen tons of fuel into a
> flat floored shed. Then feeding that semi-continuously to one side using an
> anger that could advance laterally along the floor. Then a conveyor that
> removed one-sided pieces, and an elevator that dropped fuel into a rotating
> X each cavity of which drops a portion into the combustor, variable speed,
> of course.
>
> The system was run by a laptop and (what really impressed me) sent him an
> email in the night if something when wrong, alerting him as to the nature
> of the problem.
>
> It could make as much heat and char as was required.
>
> You will not want to build one of these systems in your garage. You could
> probably build a scale model fuel with sawdust.
>
> Regards
> Crispin
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> electrical power plant
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> Kirk and Ron,   Thank you both for including my direct address so that I
> would receive a copy.
>
>
>
> I encourage Kirk to continue, but Ron’s comments indicate so difficulties,
> especially because larger size needs more money to show a viable unit.
>
>
>
> 1.  I do point out that this would not be TLUD technology.   It is more
> akin to flame cap pyrolysis.
>
>
>
> 2.  the vibration can  keep the materials flowing, but it the layer of
> biomass (becoming  char) is too thick, some way of getting the bottom
> biomass up to the surface could be needed.
>
>
>
> 3.  The diagram / plan does not address the technology of creating the
> desired electricity.   Easier said than done.  If it is to be with boiler /
> steam technology, inputs / comments from a boiler business should be sought.
>
>
>
> Paul
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> Kirk and stoves list.  2 ccs
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>
> Constructive (?) comments:
>
>
>
> 1.  I suggest that your ideas have merit and should be pursued.  I see
> nothing wrong with your diagram.
>
>  15 or more years ago, on the stoves list, Alex English modified
> an existing commercial unit somewhat like your design - mainly by speeding
>  up the moving biomass.  I believe considered successful
>
>
>
> 2.  But I believe yours  is too large a jump up for any single person to
> accomplish without big money behind them.
>
>
>
> Three solutions:
>
> a.  Make a sales pitch to work with companies already doing something
> similar - I think there may be more that 20 in the US alone, with a thermal
> output focus.  The competition against PV, wind and batteries is likely too
> tough in this size range..
>
> b.  Pick a smaller size final need and apparatus, where there is little
> going on.  In this case continuous (non-batch) charcoal-making heating
> stoves.
>
> c.  Maybe focus on a do-it-yourself audience - willing to use horizontal
> 200 liter drums.
>
>
>
> 3.   I’d focus on wood chips - as being much cheaper and more readily
> available than pellets.  Large pieces of wood don’t look at all amenable to
> what you are proposing.  I don’t see much happening with chips for combined
> char-making and heating.
>
>
>
> 4.  Conceivable that such a stove user could make money while heating.
>
>
>
> Constructive?
>
>
>
>  Ron
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>
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2021, at 8:08 PM, Kirk Harris <gkharris316 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> All,
>
> For several years I have been working on an efficient burner for wood gas
> from a TLUD wood stove.  The burner is well along, and is very efficient.
> Now my attention has turned to producing wood gas and char on a larger
> scale for a carbon negative (relating to the atmosphere) electrical power
> plant.  Attached are documents which describe where the idea is going.  The
> pyrolyzer is a brainstorming idea.  The bluff body burner is quite well
> developed.
>
> Constructive comments are welcome,
>
> Kirk H.
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