[Stoves] ***SPAM*** Re: [Biochar] Charcoal producing electrical power plant

[Harris, Kirk]

All,

Sorry about the first email.  I intended to hit delete but accidentally 
hit send.

Kirk H.

On 10/26/2021 12:04 PM, Kirk Harris wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Some very constructive comments so far.  I am very fortunate. Thank you!
>
> Ron, very constructive indeed, thank you.  I would like to see the 
> work by Alex English.  He has impressed me in the past.  You give some 
> valid warnings and options.
>
> Paul, some good insights and cautions.  Both you and Ron suggest 
> reaching out to professionals in the appropriate fields, which is an 
> excellent thought.  Advice from experts in vibrating tables would be 
> included.
>
> Frank, thank you for the information and a differing point of view.  I 
> looked at the diagrams you sent.  It appears to me that the involved 
> company, Syncraft, views the charcoal as a fuel (as is the case with 
> most biomass to electricity designs) and mostly burns it.  The saved 
> charcoal appears to be what the system failed to burn.  What I am 
> looking for is a system where electricity and charcoal are held as 
> equal value products.  The Syncraft system goes through a complex 
> system of filtering and cooling, so the heat energy does not go into 
> the electricity, only some of the chemical energy.  The burner I 
> presented is very efficient for burning wood gas, and produces very 
> little in the way of particulates.  The heat of pyrolysis and wood gas 
> combustion go straight into the steam, and modern boilers and steam 
> turbines are very efficient.  The Syncraft system is a legitimate 
> system for what it is, but it is a different concept then what I was 
> looking for.  I don't consider my efforts to be solely American, but 
> rather to put forward something that can help mitigate climate change 
> and wild fires world wide, and to replace some amount of fossil fuels.
>
> Frans, language differences makes it difficult for me to understand 
> what you have written.  Your thought that a biomass system will return 
> CO2 to the atmosphere does make biomass systems more difficult to 
> promote.   Good point!  The fact that half the carbon in the fuel is 
> saved for sequestration doesn't seem to make a difference to some.  I 
> would like to see your pyrolyser design.
>
> Crispin,  it is good to know that Alex advanced so far.  Such a system 
> can work!  That is good to know.  Do you know anything of the quality 
> of the char?  With the focus today on climate change, and the damage 
> fossil fuels are doing, perhaps such a system should be revisited.
>
> Thank you all for such productive responses,
>
> Kirk H.
>
> On 10/24/2021 9:28 PM, Ron Larson wrote:
>> Kirk and stoves list.  2 ccs
>>
>>
>> Constructive (?) comments:
>>
>> 1.  I suggest that your ideas have merit and should be pursued.  I 
>> see nothing wrong with your diagram.
>>  15 or more years ago, on the stoves list, Alex English modified 
>> an existing commercial unit somewhat like your design - mainly by 
>> speeding  up the moving biomass.  I believe considered successful
>>
>> 2.  But I believe yours  is too large a jump up for any single person 
>> to accomplish without big money behind them.
>>
>> Three solutions:
>> a.  Make a sales pitch to work with companies already doing something 
>> similar - I think there may be more that 20 in the US alone, with a 
>> thermal output focus.  The competition against PV, wind and batteries 
>> is likely too tough in this size range..
>> b.  Pick a smaller size final need and apparatus, where there is 
>> little going on.  In this case continuous (non-batch) charcoal-making 
>> heating stoves.
>> c.  Maybe focus on a do-it-yourself audience - willing to use 
>> horizontal 200 liter drums.
>>
>> 3.   I’d focus on wood chips - as being much cheaper and more readily 
>> available than pellets.  Large pieces of wood don’t look at all 
>> amenable to what you are proposing.  I don’t see much happening with 
>> chips for combined char-making and heating.
>>
>> 4.  Conceivable that such a stove user could make money while heating.
>>
>> Constructive?
>>
>>  Ron
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 24, 2021, at 8:08 PM, Kirk Harris <gkharris316 at comcast.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> For several years I have been working on an efficient burner for 
>>> wood gas from a TLUD wood stove.  The burner is well along, and is 
>>> very efficient.  Now my attention has turned to producing wood gas 
>>> and char on a larger scale for a carbon negative (relating to the 
>>> atmosphere) electrical power plant.  Attached are documents which 
>>> describe where the idea is going.  The pyrolyzer is a brainstorming 
>>> idea.  The bluff body burner is quite well developed.
>>>
>>> Constructive comments are welcome,
>>>
>>> Kirk H.
>>>
>>>
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