[Stoves] SPAM Re: SPAM Re: SPAM Dung Rocket Stove - Failed Test

Fri Jan 6 10:57:40 CST 2023

Fascinating.  Do they slosh the patties in the water when they are freshly
made and still wet?  I'll test this in Uganda.  Do they pour the fluid next
to the plants as fertilizer?

I bet the fluid could be filtered through biochar to charge the biochar.
Then the water could be reused.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 11:18 AM Richard Stanley <rstanley at mind.net> wrote:

> Kevin,
> Am down in nicaragua with only cellphone and low / sporadic bandwidth, so
> will have to rely on verbal explanation but its really simple — a solution
> hidded in plain sight as it were. Francis merely soaked the paddies in
> water then  sloshed them in their typical woved sieve used  for winnowing
> rice.. i presume they added water as they went till water expellate  came
> clear.
> No western metrics used here, just their  invaluable -and typically
> unrecognized- experientally learned skills at play.
> I subsequently utterly failed to convince my hosts of the peat solution as
> it, like Mary and Francis Tike’s  briquetted version of cow dung in
> masailand burned clean and hot—- Id be delighted to see anybody playing it
> forward.
> Richard
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 6, 2023, at 8:35 AM, K McLean <kmclean56 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Richard,
>
> Can you please explain further?  I don't understand.  Do you have photos
> or videos?
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023, 9:00 AM Richard Stanley <rstanley at mind.net> wrote:
>
>> Not true paul or only partially true! In rural kenya our partners francis
>> and mary kavita showed hor one sieves out the aromatics and dissolved
>> solids by sloshing the patties of dung in water— then has a good liquid
>> feetiliser as well as a spongy lignin which makes a great fuel whether
>> briquetted or not.  Same
>>  I discovered that the same process applies to peat in Ireland.
>> Its good by stink and smoke; hello to clean burn and liquid fertiliser.
>> Richard Stanley
>> www.legacyfound.org
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2023, at 4:28 AM, peetersfrans at telenet.be wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Dear KEVIN
>>
>>
>>
>> I think we discsed 30 y ago about frensh frees …..but Canada was to cold
>> for patatos down 1,5 $ !
>>
>> I remember you wash  salt out of dunge  and looked for analytics for the
>> ash danger .
>>
>> As for dung cooking/baking ,it is done in Anatolia TURKEY.   No trees ,to
>> see. villages of mud and corn looks haver, no mais .
>>
>> The fireplace is chimney  fumehood  integrated about 3 meter high and
>> always a pasat wind avaiable .
>>
>> To replace it you need a suction stove , fan , jet  or and partial
>> wood/dung using in the 3th world only…
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> F.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Van:* Stoves <stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org> *Namens *Ronal
>> Larson
>> *Verzonden:* vrijdag 6 januari 2023 5:54
>> *Aan:* Kevin McLean <kevin at sun24.org>; Paul Olivier <
>> paul.olivier at esrla.com>; stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Stoves] ***SPAM*** Dung Rocket Stove - Failed Test
>>
>>
>>
>> Kevin,  Paul and stoves list
>>
>>
>>
>>                 1.  What is the reason for this test of a rocket -
>> instead of a TLUD or other char-making design?
>>
>>
>>
>>                 2.  I agree with Paul, but I can conceive of cost, time
>> spent,  and CDR advantages of charring dung, at lest with certain family
>> situations.   But I can’t see those advantages with combusting dung.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2023, at 9:57 AM, Paul Olivier <paul.olivier at esrla.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dung is not a good fuel.
>>
>> It is much better to ferment it and use it as a feed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:12 PM Kevin McLean <kevin at sun24.org> wrote:
>>
>> List,
>>
>>
>>
>> Today we tested a dung rocket stove.  I'm a little surprised that the
>> test was a failure.  Can anyone suggest changes?  And can anyone in India
>> help us with our testing of dung as fuel?
>>
>>
>>
>> This is very similar to a sawdust cookstove.  We made cylinders of dung
>> with vertical holes in the center and let them dry for a month.  We did not
>> mix anything into the dung.  We used 5 liter paint cans to form the
>> cylinders.
>>
>>
>>
>> <Dung rocket stove - wet.jpeg>
>>
>> <Dung cylinder - Failed test.jpeg>
>>
>>
>>
>> We tested with and without a metal can over the dung cylinder.  We raised
>> the cylinder and lit a wood fire under it.  The fire was never strong and
>> there was a lot of smoke.  Here is a video
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xCrABfFFOVlvtGn925VW8FT9lXl660Zk/view?usp=share_link> of
>> the test with a metal can over the dung cylinder.
>>
>>
>>
>> We seem to be having early success with upright dung sticks in a metal
>> band and top lighting piles of dung patties.  But these need to be tested
>> by people more familiar with using dung as fuel.
>>
>>
>>
>> <Dung sticks in a metal band.jpeg>
>>
>> <TDB of pile of dung patties.jpeg>
>>
>>
>>
>> We could use some help from someone in an area where dung is used for
>> cooking.  None of my colleagues live in such an area.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>>
>> Kevin McLean, President
>>
>> Sun24.org
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