[Digestion] Biogas conversation rates
Steve Verhey
verheys at hotmail.com
Mon Jan 17 19:06:51 CST 2011
No need to be offended. Let's think about triaging energy supply. Energy for farming and food, no problem. Energy for doing dumb things, why not think twice or pay more? Energy gluttony is not connected to efficient food production.
Take gluteus energy demand, for example. Those gluteus should be getting off the couch!
From: bingham at zekes.com
To: digestion at lists.bioenergylists.org
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:48:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [Digestion] Biogas conversation rates
I find the tone of this thread to be ever
increasingly offensive!
I believe the "Industrialized world "provides 90+
% of all aid that goes to feed and help the rest of the world in
normal times and in disasters? If they did not have the energy and use it, they would consume more
food
than they produce.
I believe there is a law of "unintended consequences". It appears our family will be paid
more for our corn
and hay this year than any other time in the 150 years our family has farmed. Not because
of a need for food
but due to poorly conceived notion the ETOH is
better than crude oil. As food and feed prices ultimately go up
when corn is converted to fuel, what of the people who must pay for what was already to
expensive to them?
If every person and business in the
"Industrialized world" cut there energy consumption over night, the world
would
begin to starve in 120 days or less. Ship loads of
food aid would stop immediately. Almost no trucks or trains would
deliver food. Fuel delivery would begin to stop.
Tire production would be curtailed. The list would go on and on.
Those energy gluttons are the most efficient food
producers in the world. With out them most of the world would
starve.
In the late 1970's Carter in the US felt the
same was as this thread is running. He contrived an energy shortage and
fuel
for the farm was rationed. Food costs went up and
production went down.
There are some that feel rising energy costs will
stop or slow the "Glutenous Energy Demand".
What it will
do is hurt those among us that can least afford it. It would be nice if
those of you who feel inclined to
inject there social/Political view into Anaerobic Digestion would just keep
them to them selves.
It may be that "Peak Oil occurred in 2006",But Coal consumption just
increased and took its place.
There is enough Coal and Natural gas to last 200 years in the US and
probably that much oil.
Oil production is controlled more by politics and price not by
availability. Most of the oil in the
US is untapped due to Politics and so called Environmentalism.
----- Original Message -----
From:
Reuben Deumling
To: For Discussion of Anaerobic
Digestion
Cc: Franssen, Loe
(Alumni)
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 3:28
PM
Subject: Re: [Digestion] Biogas
conversation rates
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Alexander Eaton <alex at sistemabiobolsa.com>
wrote:
Reuben, are you suggesting that we (in the industrialized
world) all suffer from "unsuppressed energy demand"? Untrammeled
Energy Demand? Maybe even Glutenous Energy Demand? Very
interesting ;)
Both. I've met many folks allergic to all sorts of compounds found in
wheat, but gluttonous is surely the most apt phrase. We may not *all* suffer
from this condition, but it is surely the norm. Over on the 90percentreduction
yahoo group we talk about this regularly.
We do see people adding energy uses when they have
more energy, e.g. biogas. This would through a hitch in the carbon
calcs, except for the fact that the methodology allows you to assume that
they would have eventually found a way to provide that energy, and it would
have come from a fossil fuel.
well this is familiar empty-world-economics (TM Herman Daly). Full world
economics suggests this is no longer a reasonable assumption. With the
International Energy Agency now admitting that Peak Oil occurred in 2006, this
is now all (thankfully) in the past.
IEA's admission as
paraphrased by the folks who predicted this four+ years ago:
http://www.energywatchgroup.org/Mitteilungen.26+M5d637b1e38d.0.html
Press Release from 11. November 2010:
"International Energy Agency confirms the EWG's
Warning"International Energy Agency Confirms
the Energy
Watch Group's Warning
• "Peak Oil" through conventional production was reached in 2006
•
IEA's assumptions about future total production
unrealistic
• Accelerated expansion of renewables will safeguard supply
more
economically
As early as three years ago, the Energy Watch Group
(EWG) identified
the highpoint of conventional worldwide oil exploitation as having been
reached in 2006. With its
"World Energy Outlook 2010", the International
Energy Agency (IEA) expressly endorsed this conclusion for the very
first
time, corroborating that the production of crude oil will never again
achieve the 2006 level. The Agency,
made up of 28 OECD countries,
represents the governmental interests of the
largest "Western" energyconsuming
nations.
In a comprehensive 2007
study, the Energy Watch Group's scientists
explained why "after attaining
this maximum production, there is a very
high probability that in the
coming twenty years – by 2030 – annual
output of crude oil will halve." In each of the past few years, the IEA has
revised its annual forecast of worldwide oil production downward,
converging toward the Energy Watch
Group's analysis.
Unlike the Energy Watch Group, however, the IEA continues to espouse
expectations that are far too
optimistic in regard to the expansion of oil
production from conventional and unconventional
sources. Thomas
Seltmann, the EWG's project manager, explains,
"Leading
representatives of the IEA regularly declare
that 'several new Saudi
Arabias' would need to be tapped only in order to
maintain current output
levels. This would also be a condition for their
current scenario, but these
oilfields simply don't exist. You can only
produce oil that you can find."
Moreover, the
IEA continues to make unrealistic assumptions about
the
potential output from so-called "unconventional" wells: natural
gas
condensates and tar sands – two putative substitutes for crude oil.
Production of the latter is very complicated and
detrimental to the
environment, and the availability of both is much lower.
"Bringing them
online is absolutely not comparable with the familiar oil production on
land and in the sea", Seltmann qualifies.
Nonetheless, the IEA still
suggests that the oil supply can be raised to meet demand.
The unjustified
optimism about oil is paralleled by an equally
unfounded
pessimism vis-à-vis the expansion of renewable energies, and
the
expansion rate outlined by the IEA is well below
the current growth rates
for renewables. Seltmann says, "We urgently
recommend that
governments ambitiously accelerate the expansion of
renewable energy
in order to counter the foreseeable shortages and price
jumps of fossil
fuels. More rapid expansion of renewable energy is more
economical
overall than a slower approach. Even completely meeting our
energy
needs with renewables is possible within a few decades and
more
economical in total than the further consumption of oil, natural gas, coal,
and uranium."
Press
contact:
Thomas Seltmann, project manager
seltmann at energywatchgroup.org
Download of the study and
updated graphic related to the EWG oil study:
http://www.energywatchgroup.org/Crude-Oil.56+M5d637b1e38d.0.html
(www.energywatchgroup.org à Themes à Crude Oil)
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