[Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_

Wed Dec 29 12:53:15 CST 2010

Helo KEVIN

Well done  your  words  making all the points , yet need refinement at the
end  with final conclusion.Some point

Is N2 and co2  free need  only to be syngas , or  this is pure syngas  which
Greg  do not agree

Syngas can be any gas , can include producer gas , water gas .Historically
Syngas the latest , process independent as Tom correctly  conclude  that
 syngas is general one  where as the other are more specific

your truely

Dr.Pannirselvam.P.V

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Kevin <kchisholm at ca.inter.net> wrote:

>  We seem to be going around in great big circles!!
>
> Can we first define "Syngas"?
>
> I believe the term refers to "Synthesis Gas", and not "Synthetic Gas."
>
> "Synthesis Gas" can be gas of any composition which is used to synthesize a
> subsequent product. If "Synthesis Gas" is used as a fuel, it is not being
> used to synthesize a product, and is therefore not "Synthesis Gas", but
> rather is simply "Fuel Gas."
>
> "Producer Gas" is any gas produced by a "Gas Producer." GEK's Larosifiers,
> and Wellman-Galushas are all "gas producers. A Coke Oven is a "Gas Producer,
> producing "Coke Oven Gas." "Water Gas"is another "Producer Gas" produced by
> introducing steam to incandescent carbon (charcoal or coke)
>
> A "Stratified Downdraft Gasifier" produces "Producer Gas", and if the
> feedstock was wood, this "producer gas" would be "Wood Gas." They produce a
> gas that is high in tars, and while it is an excellent "Fuel Grade Gas", for
> direct burning, it has far too much tar content to be used as an "Engine
> Grade Gas." (EGG). Imbert style Gasifiers, when properly configured, as is
> the GEK, can produce a wood gas, or a producer gas, that is adequately low
> in tar content, such that it can be used for fuel in a burner, or it can be
> used as feed to an engine. If the GEK output gas was used for processing
> further to yield a different product, then it would be producing a
> "synthesis gas", and it would indeed be proper to state that it was
> producing "syngas."
>
> Thats how I see things.... am I missing something?
>
> Kevin Chisholm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> *Subject:* Re: [Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_
>
> I believe we are all ardent admirers of Jim's Gek, the continual
> improvements made to the design and automatic control for the production of
> clean flammable gas is the objects of our admiration.
> However, there are many among us, who believe the term "Syngas" describes a
> synthetic version of a naturally occurring organic compound (methane).which
> has far more energy content than the production of a GEK.
> If the GEK really produces "Syngas" there are obviously no improvements to
> be made to the QUALITY of the gas produced.    The GEK has most certainly
> "arrived".
> If we believe this then we can all pack up and go home. What is the object
> of this site if some one has found the Holy Grail which we all seek.
> On the other hand, there are rules for successfully marketing a product and
> Jim has not broken any of these.
> He needs to describe his product in the best possible light in order to
> fuel the continued research and development he has shared with us.
> Syngas is an excellent descriptive word, are we to have a referendum on its
> application?
>
>
> GF
>
>
> For me synthesis gas should have the capability of being used to synthesis
> some product.
>
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Toby Seiler <seilertechco at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Jim was right, I'm working on a machine that is intended to some degree to
>> integrate principles of making synthesis gas, so I have a vested interest in
>> his use of terminology used in marketing his product that, I
>> believe, contributes to a public misunderstanding.  I've asked Jim nice many
>> times in the past to consider the differences that Doug, Bill Klein,
>> Greg and many other professionals on this list have explained to Jim and
>> myself years ago.
>>
>> GF (and others) recognize that there is commercial value in marketing the
>> "syngas" claim in addition to the technical correctness issue.
>>
>> Unfortunately with a mushrooming interest in energy issues, many un or
>> under-educated persons have now become part of our various governments and
>> making public policy.  Continued use of wrong terminology, now even amongst
>> government officials making policy decisions, eventually affects enterprise
>> large and small.
>>
>> I'm impressed by Jim and his crew's ability to appeal to a large audience
>> of interested, computer literate folks.  I wish him success.
>>
>> I don't want this to be harsh or attacking to Jim, but feel that continued
>> effort to make alternative energy progress will require even greater
>> technical distinctions, rather than blending terms together as "generic"
>> terms.  Please help to clear up our "english" language version of Wiki
>> defining these gases and their respective machinery.
>>
>> Have a good new years.
>>
>> Toby Seiler
>> Seilertechco
>>
>>
>>
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