[Gasification] No time for beer in Munich- there's a real live imbert gasifier here

jim mason jim at allpowerlabs.org
Sun Oct 31 14:11:45 CDT 2010 

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:53 AM, thomas reed <tombreed2009 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Jim:
>
> Sounds like a very instructive visit.  We saw one in less detail in a
> Danish museum.  Pics are great...
>
>
tom, i thought i remembered reading in one of your books that you had a real
imbert early at nrel.  somehow i seem to remember some story of you running
wood pellets in it.  am i remembering this correctly?

it would be highly interesting to actually get one of these to run with full
instrumentation.  while i can wave hands about what i saw and how it likely
ran in relation to what we know now, a proper run with the equivalent
datalogging we use on ours would be highly informing.  unlikely we'd ever
get the dm unit to do this.  maybe we can find/borrow one from elsewhere.

tom, there will be many more pictures of the insides.  the interesting parts
are all the insides of the reactor, and how elaborate the filtering system
was.

j





> TOM REED
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Ronald Hongsermeier <rwhongser at web.de>wrote:
>
>> jim,
>> forgot to say: P.S. cf GEK forum post
>>
>> ron
>>
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>> *Von:* "jim mason" <jim at allpowerlabs.org>
>> *Gesendet:* 31.10.2010 18:05:26
>> *An:* "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification" <
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>> *Betreff:* Re: [Gasification] No time for beer in Munich- there's a real
>> live imbert gasifier here
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>> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Arnt Karlsen <arnt at c2i.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:01:30 -0700, jim wrote in message
>>> <AANLkTin=r4kWhoJRNmZ2PVPSEcDt9-yTd_teRGpFONG8 at mail.gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> > i'm still in munich and still enjoying the deutsches museum.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.gekgasifier.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1002&c=newimages
>>> >
>>> > also, there turned out to be another vehicle with an imbert gasifier
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> ..what year are these 2 gasifiers, or rather,
>>> when where they last serviced or modified?
>>>
>>
>> both i now realize have been rebuilt, or rather, cleaned up and rerun in
>> more contemporary times.  the specifics of this i have yet to figure out.
>> with a little more work we likely can.  the history of the exhibits in the
>> dm is very well kept.  another interesting thing that surfaced is that the
>> dm has a very large archive where they collect and keep machinery manuals,
>> brochures and general consumable literature on these type of devices.  it is
>> very likely there is some interesting things to discover there too.
>>
>> either way, as for these machines, they've had some attention and been run
>> in more recent times.  the fuel in the adler one is more recently cut
>> dimensioned lumber, not the wwII fuel.  i took some samples from the char at
>> various levels if we want to explore it.
>>
>> the filters on the adler have been cleaned and repainted and never run
>> after.  the yellow thing in the picture with me is a baffle plate array from
>> the horizontal ash tube on the side of the reactor.  the baffle array was
>> brand new. the tube and all plumbing was original.  the water filter and
>> packed bed in the front were cleaned out, but still original.  the reactor
>> itself is unrestored, like the rest of the adler.  all the vessels show some
>> rust and age, but are still well intact.  they seem to be either 16 or 18awg
>> mild steel.  the hearth is cast, about 1/4 - 3/8" thick.
>>
>> the ford truck has had a full off frame restoration.  they appear to  have
>> done the gasifier at the same time.  then ran it again, as the bottom of the
>> reactor has all the paint burned off, just like ours!  the water filter was
>> very messy inside.  i didn't see in the rest as i didn't have permission for
>> that one.
>>
>> the dm runs lots of their equipment.  they do demos for visitors, and
>> appear to take some out for special ocassions.  it is far from a hands on
>> museum, but they do run and move around the equipment it appears.  there are
>> pictures of various machines in parades and such.  the dm is a major
>> national project, and they enjoy showing some of the accomplishments.  there
>> are a good deal of steam engines set up to run on compressed air within the
>> museum.  several of the very large ones, like the watt engine, are run on
>> compressed air.  the whole room smells of machine oil.  some of the ic
>> engines simiarly have exhaust pipes ported to vents so they can be run.
>>
>> somehow in this, both of the gasifiers were run recently.  not a ton, but
>> a bit, and certainly more recently than wwII.
>>
>> j
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>>>  > > > and a hammer. i saw little lost knowledge to rediscover. i saw
>>> > > > lots of expedience, simplicity, and band aids.
>>> > >
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