[Gasification] Continuing

[phillip manske]

Hi Mark,
I invited you in on mistake, I got my people mixed up.  I'm sure you are
fine person and well qualified to understand and contribute but I thought I
was talking to someone else with whom I had a different relationship.  Don't
be hurt, I'm sure you are a fine person and I'm sure god loves you.  I
thought you were my microbiologist.  I apologize.

This effort is my attempt to acquire buyback contracts with electrical
utilities.  The contracts require the use of biomass fuels and this acetate
step is the most complicated part of the two step process to make
biogas-methane.  Methane produced this way quaifies as "biogas" and thus
qualifies for contracts.  After the acetate is made, it is fed to another
reactor and then is consumed by a microbe named m.barkeri and m. barkeri
then makes methane.

There, I explained the process with making snotty comments and it felt
pretty good.

Phillip




On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Mark Ludlow <mark at ludlow.com> wrote:

>  So Philip, once you can grow trillions of Peptostreptococcus productus,
> where are you? They take your useable CO and convert it into CO2 and
> acetate. Is this what you're after?****
>
> Mark****
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> *From:* gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:
> gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] *On Behalf Of *phillip
> manske
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:57 AM
> *To:* david at h4c.org; Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
> *Subject:* Re: [Gasification] Continuing****
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> Hi all, ****
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>  ****
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> Until I get my library card, I'm gonna be quiet.  That will be little more
> than a week.****
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>  ****
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> I have every intention of not digesting and every intention of operating
> the reactors according to published papers.  Digestion is a sloppy process
> and digestate is very difficult to come by and manage.  I'm not interested
> in moving 10 tens of slop either in or out every day.  No, just no.****
>
>  ****
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> The gasifer provides reliably with no waste afterward, the exact right
> bacteria will act in the exact right way.  I'm not going to make a reactor
> and then leave the top off for a week and hope the right bacteria shows
> up.m  That sounds counter productive.****
>
>  ****
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> There are very explicit instructions on the matter and I intend on
> following them.  ****
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>  ****
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> Peptostreptococcus productus or bust.****
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>  ****
>
> Phillip****
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> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:37 AM, David <david at h4c.org> wrote:****
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> Dr. Reed,****
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> On 7/20/2011 12:27 PM, Thomas Reed wrote: ****
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> Dear Phil and all****
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> Phil seems concerned about getting the "right" bacteria.  My impression is "if you vuildmit, they will come". ****
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> Anaerobic life has proven ubiquitous, indeed, so wherever conditions are
> right-- a biogas digester, a stagnant pond, one's own gut-- anaerobes indeed
> "show up". One may want to gather inoculates from various sources-- cow
> manure, ground up termites-- and put those things in the digester, but it is
> not certain that will assist in producing more biogas. Regardless, given
> that the digester will be a very complex ecosystem exposed to repeated
> inoculations with incoming material, there is little point in trying to
> arrange things so that the "livestock" are restricted to a particular set of
> chosen species. It might be done, but it would require sterilizing incoming
> material, etc., and it's not clear all that can take place and still have
> the system be net positive for energy, or indeed anything like as net
> positive as a "fill and forget" system.
>
>
>
> d.****
>
> -- ****
>
> David William House****
>
> "The Complete Biogas Handbook" www.completebiogas.com
> *Vahid Biogas*, an alternative energy consultancy www.vahidbiogas.com****
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> "Make no search for water.       But find thirst,
> And water from the very ground will burst." ****
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