[Gasification] Continuing

Ed Woolsey woolsey at netins.net
Thu Jul 21 15:56:27 CDT 2011


I would add an action item ask to the end of the document.

I would be willing to submit to any paper but the DSMR.  I've been working 
on one for them.
I can think about another author if you'd like.





On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:52:47 -0700
  "Mark Ludlow" <mark at ludlow.com> wrote:
  So Philip, once you can grow trillions of
Peptostreptococcus productus,
  where are you? They take your useable CO and convert it
into CO2 and
  acetate. Is this what you're after?

  Mark



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  [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On
Behalf Of phillip
  manske
  Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:57 AM
  To: david at h4c.org; Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
gasification
  Subject: Re: [Gasification] Continuing



  Hi all,



  Until I get my library card, I'm gonna be quiet.  That
will be little more
  than a week.



  I have every intention of not digesting and every
intention of operating the
  reactors according to published papers.  Digestion is a
sloppy process and
  digestate is very difficult to come by and manage.  I'm
not interested in
  moving 10 tens of slop either in or out every day.  No,
just no.



  The gasifer provides reliably with no waste afterward,
the exact right
  bacteria will act in the exact right way.  I'm not going
to make a reactor
  and then leave the top off for a week and hope the right
bacteria shows up.m
  That sounds counter productive.



  There are very explicit instructions on the matter and I
intend on following
  them.



  Peptostreptococcus productus or bust.



  Phillip












  On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:37 AM, David <david at h4c.org>
wrote:


  Dr. Reed,


  On 7/20/2011 12:27 PM, Thomas Reed wrote:

  Dear Phil and all

  Phil seems concerned about getting the "right" bacteria.
  My impression is
  "if you vuildmit, they will come".



  Anaerobic life has proven ubiquitous, indeed, so wherever
conditions are
  right-- a biogas digester, a stagnant pond, one's own
gut-- anaerobes indeed
  "show up". One may want to gather inoculates from various
sources-- cow
  manure, ground up termites-- and put those things in the
digester, but it is
  not certain that will assist in producing more biogas.
Regardless, given
  that the digester will be a very complex ecosystem
exposed to repeated
  inoculations with incoming material, there is little
point in trying to
  arrange things so that the "livestock" are restricted to
a particular set of
  chosen species. It might be done, but it would require
sterilizing incoming
  material, etc., and it's not clear all that can take
place and still have
  the system be net positive for energy, or indeed anything
like as net
  positive as a "fill and forget" system.



  d.

  --

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