[Gasification] tar Processign

Wed May 11 23:38:07 CDT 2011

To , all

Can somebody elaborate the usage of Tar (waste(??) of Biomass Gasification)
? Also i would like to explore the viability of Tar process to nano fluid
as Tar is complex carbon compund...
Thanks
With Regards,
Vikrant Bhalerao
Cummins Research and Technology Inc.
Mobile +91 89 833 20 725

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> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 03:14:21 +0700
> From: Robert Kana <sinan at biomassindo.com>
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
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> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Charcoal Gasifiers
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> Dear Arnt,
> When we distill wood vinegar, actually very little tar comes to the
> collection tank, rest of the tar either stays in the pipes (has to be
> cleaned every month). This collection is done while the wood or
> briquettes are drying in the chamber. Wood vinegar has no tar, for soil
> enrichment and ph control, it is diluted with water 1/100 or 200. It can
> also be used as pest control if diluted 1/300-500, just spray on the
> leaves and fruits.  About 5-10 cc is put in to bath tub to clean the
> body, it is the main ingredient used in detox pads. When the wood gas
> start coming out, the chimney which is connected to the retort chamber
> is closed and we start burning wood gas in retort's fire chamber to keep
> heating the wood until the gas is finished, by than wood become
> charcoal. If this wood gas could be harnessed, as Tom says there is a
> huge amount of energy is there.
> So far I have tried couple of ways but not successful, and still trying...
> Regards,
> Robert
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>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 10:38:00 +0800
> From: Anand Karve <adkarve at gmail.com>
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
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> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Charcoal Gasifiers
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> Dear List,
> we have tested wood vinegar as a pesticide on plants. It works in the
> case of moderate infestation, but if the infestation is severe,
> especially with sucking pests such as mealy bugs and woolly aphids,
> one has to use a conventional organo-phosphatic systemic insecticide.
> Biochar has never worked in our local soils, which have pH higher
> than 8.5. Wood vinegar has a number of organic acids in it, which may
> be used by the soil micro-organisms as their carbon source, so that
> they multiply their numbers. That the population density of soil
> micro-organisms is positively correlated with soil fertility, is a
> known and accepted fact. Therefore, any treatment, which causes the
> soil microbe population to rise, would automatically result in higher
> soil fertility.
> Yours
> A.D.Karve
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Arnt Karlsen <arnt at c2i.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 May 2011 21:12:57 +0700, Robert wrote in message
> > <4DC947E9.5090303 at biomassindo.com>:
> >
> >> Dear Anand,
> >> Thanks for the info. I am a charcoal specialist with biomass
> >> background. I own a small briquette charcoal factory and we know how
> >> to use barrel to make charcoal. One suggestion, if you have a long
> >> chimney in the back, slent to chimney 30 degrees, cover the top (must
> >> be a temporary cover, when the wood gas started coming out we need to
> >> move the cover to burn the gas), let the wood smoke get cooler and
> >> put drum on the bottom so you can also collect wood vinegar and teach
> >> the farmers how to use wood vinegar for soil enrichment, against
> >> pests... Regards,
> >> Robert
> >
> > ..how much carbon can be put into farmland soil this way,
> > and the biochar way?
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 18:43:30 +1200
> From: "doug.williams" <Doug.Williams at orcon.net.nz>
> To: "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification"
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> Subject: Re: [Gasification] Charcoal Gasifiers
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> Hi Dr Karve,
>
> As this particular line of discussion is relevant to work of my associates,
> I would like to offer some comments that may be of interest to yourself and
> others who use the term biochars for soils enhancement. I also have personal
> interest as a organic citrus grower (in past years), and there is some
> relevance to put reason behind certain failures.
>
> >we have tested wood vinegar as a pesticide on plants. It works in the
> >case of moderate infestation, but if the infestation is severe,
> >especially with sucking pests such as mealy bugs and woolly aphids,
> >one has to use a conventional organo-phosphatic systemic insecticide.
>
> As an acid, wood vinegar cannot penetrate the waxy type coating of "some"
> pests. From experience (not with wood vinegar), you need to add a
> surfacicant, which wets the infestation through it's protective coating.
> This is a simple as adding a liquid detergent to the spray mix. I have no
> recommended ratio, but you can see it work when the spray wets the insect.
> Most phenolic compounds will kill or upset the insect to detach and leave
> the feeding surfaces.
>
> >Biochar has never worked in our local soils, which have pH higher
> >than 8.5. Wood vinegar has a number of organic acids in it, which may
> >be used by the soil micro-organisms as their carbon source, so that
> >they multiply their numbers. That the population density of soil
> >micro-organisms is positively correlated with soil fertility, is a
> >known and accepted fact.
>
> If the soils are already containing high levels of carbon or
> micro-organisms, what you say has relevance, but key here in this type of
> discussion, is the type of char being used. Most char readily available as a
> waste stream and dumped as soil enhancement, is of the wrong type to provide
> a habitat for soil micro-organisms, being made to maximize the carbon
> content and density for smokeless cooking. This is the type needed for
> carbon sequestrian to maximize the reduction of atmospheric carbon. Soil
> bacteria on the other hand, need safe habitats, and this type of carbon is
> of the activated type, with huge internal surface porosities. Other than
> providing a habitat, the carbon also provide the means of holding nutrients
> in soils that might not retain them if applied just to the soils.
>
> Therefore, any treatment, which causes the
> soil microbe population to rise, would automatically result in higher
> soil fertility.
>
> I am 100% behind your conclusion, and hope the work that many are devoting
> their soil research work, can add to their knowledge from the flow on
> effect, of gasification technology.
>
> Hope this might be of interest.
>
> Doug Williams,
> Fluidyne Gasification.
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> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 10:26:43 EDT
> From: Carefreeland at aol.com
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> Subject: [Gasification] Fruit of my ideas help Mississippi
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> Gasification friends,
>
> It's been a while. Turbulent times for me here in  Dayton, Ohio.  I
> received a call from John Guthrie a couple of weeks ago.  He told me that
> he had
> sold the land he wanted to sell me, to a company that  makes pellets. He
> said
> " Katrina took all of our small trees". I thought he said  Pallets and
> didn't know what he was calling me for. Then he mentioned a chipping  mill
> now
> being built there. After I got off the phone I realized you don't need  a
> chipping mill to make Pallets. I remembered pushing him in 2005 to bring a
>  wood
> pellet mill to Wiggins because the pulp market was glutted. He didn't know
> much about wood pellets.
>     I did a search on the web and found out what  happened to my need to
> create a job for my tree shear with the pulp business  glutted. LOL
> _
> http://biomassmagazine.com/articles/5044/enviva-acquires-pellet-plants-expa
> nds-pproduction_<http://biomassmagazine.com/articles/5044/enviva-acquires-pellet-plants-expands-pproduction_>
> (
> http://biomassmagazine.com/articles/5044/enviva-acquires-pellet-plants-expands-pproduction
> )
>
> Check it out. Maybe he will send some pellets north on the Kansas City
> Southern, the railroad company that brought him to Wiggins in 1948. A the
> time
> Wiggins grew cucumbers and sold pickles.
>
>    You never know what will happen when you start  promoting Biomass
> energy.
>
>    Dan Dimiduk
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> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 10:45:06 EDT
> From: Carefreeland at aol.com
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> Subject: [Gasification] wrong article- try this
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> nds-production_
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