[Gasification] Reanimation of biogas production from biogas depleted manure

Pannirselvam P.V pannirbr at gmail.com
Tue Nov 22 05:47:15 CST 2011


HI Philip

    The low grade   syngas  can be used also in the methane raector

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Anand Karve <adkarve at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Philip,
> glycerine can also be fermented into biogas. The process does not need
> yeast but methanogenic micro-organisms
> Yours
> A.D.Karve
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:48 AM, phillip manske <pdmanske at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Pann introduced me to fermentation of biodiesel waste glycerol.  He
> > says the process is easier that what I am proposing. The process uses
> > yeast.  The stuff is real close to sugar and it looks like many
> > microbes would eat it.  I'm worried about waste so I'll have to read
> > more.
> >
> > P
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Pannirselvam  P.V <pannirbr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Hi Philip mansk
> >>          good experiments
> >> very good results
> >> very good start
> >>    the immobolised  cells in the fiber can  have more  life time than
> pure
> >>  submerged systems.
> >>    Biofilm reactor are good one  , recirculating  syngas  and acids
> >>   The next step can be to build bioreactor
> >> your truely
> >> Pannirselvam
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:11 PM, phillip manske <pdmanske at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Anand,
> >>>
> >>> My results and methods are crude but it looks like I'm on the right
> >>> track.  I like the syngas - methane route mentioned above but the
> >>> process requires some sophisticated and expensive reactors.  Its worth
> >>> looking at manure to house all of it.   There is not much in the
> >>> literature that says man made reactors are more efficient for this
> >>> process.
> >>>
> >>> I used 32 ounce bottles and filled to bottles with semi solid manure
> >>> and I had to top off with tap water to make anoxic conditions. To that
> >>> I added about one ounce of CO2 water, or acetate or a mixture of both.
> >>>  The mixture bottle did not do well on the first round and the acetate
> >>> alone bottle became toxic and killed all of the methane producing
> >>> bacteria.  The papers say use much less.  i used water with O2 in it,
> >>> thus poisoning the reaction.  Thats a good kind of mistake.
> >>>
> >>> If acetate is the precursor to methane then CO, taken from syngas, is
> >>> the precursor to acetate and that test comes next or at least soon.
> >>> It would be great progress if it worked.
> >>>
> >>> Phllip
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Anand Karve <adkarve at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> > Dear Philip,
> >>> > vinegar (acetic acid) is precursor of methane. CH3COOH=CH4+CO2. So it
> >>> > but natural that the mixture which contained vinegar produced more
> >>> > biogas than the control.
> >>> > Yours
> >>> > A.D.Karve
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:47 AM, phillip manske <pdmanske at gmail.com
> >
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >> In an effort to construct the syngas - methanation route, I formed a
> >>> >> thesis that manure, being as perfect as a methane microbe reactor
> can
> >>> >> that nature can build , can be reanimated and managed to produce
> more
> >>> >> biogas once the naturally occurring reactants are exhausted.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I put four bottles of manure in a thermophile water bath.  One
> bottle
> >>> >> was kept as a control and the had CO2 water, white vinegar and a
> >>> >> mixture thereof.  These configurations produced different results.
> The
> >>> >> acetate sterilized the methanogens, the CO2 water addition produced
> >>> >> feeble biogas and the mixture also produced less than the control
> >>> >> bottle.  The bottles were left for three weeks to ferment.  After
> >>> >> that, they were left at room temperature for a week and then
> reheated
> >>> >> in the water bath.  The mixture bottle produced vigorously, perhaps
> at
> >>> >> several times the usual production rate.     I can't if the gas is
> >>> >> CO2, biogas or CH4 but if its biogas, the finding is significant.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> P.
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