[Digestion] Biogas conversation rates

[bingham]

Ruben,
It seem you are working with a set of assumptions, many on the list share but I do not.  I offer as an example:
"more modest energy use" seems to be a way of saying manipulate the costs and AD would be feasible.
"living within our (energy) means" indicates many assumptions: rationing and or redistribution.
"extended fossil fuel binge" is a relative statement that is subjective and not supported by objective facts.
"untold cost to the planet's habitability & stability" global warming has been debunked as junk science produced
by a group of co conspirators paid to produce a set of data which would support an pre conceived agenda.
"AD......will compete more favorably as we enter the post Peak Oil period " It was on US TV today 1-19-11 and read
into the Federal Register that it has been determined that there has been found enough energy under the western United
States to last the US 30 years at its Peak Oil use.

It would perhaps be more productive to focus on areas in which we might agree and are less counterseal. I am not one of those
who feel humans have or could have any meaningful effect on the worlds temperature through energy consumption. I am steel
focused on the study that reviled we could not measure the effect on the world if the world went back to 1960 consumption levels.
We were told to remove all of our incandescent bulbs and replace them with CFL's (compact florescent) to save the world from global 
worming. Now we find thy are a significant risk to the environment and if you break one it is a 3 hour process to clean it up, with major 
health risks involved. Not to mention they do not last nearly as long as they first claimed. 

AD has a places and is the best answer in many under or less developed areas. We do not need to manipulate the facts to reach that 
conclusion. AD is a good solution for many animal and livestock operations regardless of location. AD is a good alternative in areas
where septic tanks  or open ditches are the only sewage disposal options. AD is a good fit in many industrial  applications no matter
what the cost of energy is, now or in the future.
B




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Reuben Deumling 
  To: For Discussion of Anaerobic Digestion 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digestion] Biogas conversation rates





  On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Alexander Eaton <alex at sistemabiobolsa.com> wrote:

     In fact, biogas would be a more feasible option in the industrialized world if its modest energy production were paired with a more modest energy use.  This is not a political view, but a holistic view of how energy programs should be implemented.  Those of us who work in renewable energy should always examine opportunities for efficiency as part of our projects to make the energy production more significant.  

  Well put. 

  Renewable energy presents an opportunity to grasp what living within our (energy) means might look like. The extended fossil fuel binge we've been on has been lots of fun for some, but has come at untold cost to the planet's habitability & stability, not to mention the scale and patterns of human habitation it has inspired. AD is not something we could hope to scale up to match current demand for heating and cooking fuels worldwide, but it could and likely will compete more favorably as we enter the post Peak Oil period when the notion that all that good stuff in the ground was free or there for the taking will fade into memory.

  I think we may re-discover the importance of scale, of matching the fuel to the end use, of sufficiency, of enough. 

  Reuben Deumling





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