[Digestion] EM Effective Microorganisms and AD

Tue Oct 29 21:50:08 CDT 2013

G'day Richard,

Thanks for the verification, when I am working from memory and largely 
on personal communication it is good to have some supporting evidence.

I have not met Ian Plimmer (he was at North Terrace, which I did visit 
sometimes but was usually busy) and I was 50 km away at Roseworthy 
Campus most of the time. There must have been some interesting tea room 
discussions as Prof Barry Brooks (who is VERY pro Climate Change!) was 
in the same Department.

I suspect the only place we may have met was at a Conference in 
Stuttgart in 2007.

I think the piggery did go ahead, but had a problem with a fire (it did 
not make our headlines!) or a contractor damaging the cover - I am not 
sure though.

All the best,

HOOROO
Mr Paul Harris
Visitor to The University of Adelaide

On 30/10/2013 12:25 PM, Richard L Vetter wrote:
> Paul....your comments are right on.   I spent a number of years in 
> ruminant nutrition and along with others in research, tried to 
> manipulate the rumen micro flora with specific bacteria. Yes, the 
> microbial population could be altered by extreme ration adjustments, 
> but, the survival/significant effect of a specific microbe or yeast 
> was nil.
> Out of curiosity, have you made the acquaintance of Prof. Ian 
> Plimmer.....author of "Heaven and Earth--global warming and the 
> missing science?  In my opinion, both sides of the global warming 
> issue need to read his historical insights and gain a perspective of 
> climate change.
> I have been trying to recall if we have met at some conference or 
> event.  Anyway, your insights are valuable, especially to some of 
> those within the group who are fairly novice!!
> One last comment.  Do you know if the very large swine operation 
> [290,000 standing pigs] (Singapore owners, I think) outside of Corawa 
> has installed an anaerobic system? At the time,   I worked on 
> feasibility study for the operation about 8 years ago, there was a 
> potential ownership change.
> Cheers and G'day    Rich Vetter
> R. L. Vetter, PhD; PAS; Dipl. ACAN; President
> AGRI-BIO SYSTEMS, INC.
> 2811 Edgewater Dr. Elgin, IL. 60124
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>
> *From:* Paul Harris <paul.harris at adelaide.edu.au>
> *To:* digestion at lists.bioenergylists.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:14 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Digestion] EM Effective Microorganisms and AD
>
> G'day Wayne,
>
> As has been commented elsewhere any attempt to use "designer" microbes
> in an anaerobic digester is likely to be swamped by the microbial
> ecosystem being fed to the digester unless the feed is sterile/sterilised.
>
> My attitude (almost certainly not shared by all group members, but I
> hope we can agree to differ!) is that nature has sorted out a system
> over thousands of years and we are not likely to make it hugely better
> by a bit of fiddling. It is a bit like the argument between artificial
> and organic fertilisers - organic has a lot of micreonutrients missing
> from synthetic formulas and similarly EM may not have the synergies
> needed for AD.
>
> Happy digesting,
>
> HOOROO
> Mr Paul Harris
> Visitor to The University of Adelaide
>
> On 30/10/2013 5:59 AM, Wayne Zschech wrote:
> > G'day all!
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience on how AD can be used effectively 
> with EM? Are there any possibly synergies? E.g. The EM bokashi 
> leachate goes off if not used with in a day or so.  Could an AD 
> reactor be of any use? Etc.
> >
> > Blessings,
> > Wayne
> >
> > Blessings,
> > Wayne
> >
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