[Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_

Wed Dec 29 21:08:13 CST 2010

Dear Dr Pannirselvam

I am sorry that my writing was not clear enough.

Producer gas contains a high proportion of N2 in addition to CO2, H2 and
CO and is also produced at near atmospheric pressure and therefore cannot be
used economically for the production of methanol and therefore cannot be
considered as syngas.

ksv

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Pannirselvam P.V <pannirbr at gmail.com>wrote:

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>
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Viswanathan KS <viswanathanks at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Wish all members Seasons Greetings and a Happy New Year.
>>
>> I started my career in 1956 as a graduate trainee in a fertilizer complex
>> in India making ammonium sulphate.
>>
>> The complex had a water gas producing unit by gasification of coke made in
>> the coke oven in the complex.
>>
>> The coke fines were used in a producer gas generator blown with air and
>> the producer gas was used for heating the coke oven.
>>
>> The CO in water gas was converted to CO2 (most of it) in a water gas shift
>> reactor, compressed and CO2 removed in a water wash unit, the gas was
>> further compressed and CO removed in a scrubbing unit using cuprammonium
>> solution. This gas called synthesis gas  was used for making ammonia.
>>
>> For me synthesis gas should have the capability of being used to
>> synthesise some product.
>>
>
>     Dear   Viswanthan K.S
>
> Happy new year
>   Respected Viswanthan  K.S
> what you wrote in the final consideration   is not clear  related with
> producer gas and syngas concepts confusion and hence  debate here. what side
> are you JIm or not?
>
>   The gas with N2 and co2  too ,the unpurified producer gas can have
> the capability of being  used to make synthesis  products
> using different catalysts, may be low yields
> Now it is possible to make methanol synthesis with co2,h2 and CO.
> thus producer gas can be called syngas ? This is the main point of the
> debate here
>
> With all your experience , I wish you make clear ,and i hope is also are
> you not able to make the point very clear to others too
>
> Only if one  who understand well and explain well   do good sound
> scientific work , independent of your sound technology work and practical
> experience , regarding the confusion,   I am very sorry that you are  not
> able to explain better your points via your practical work  regarding the
> debate.The experienced person like you , I expect  very clear point as I
> beleve practice make perfection with very long experience , when you stared
> as graduate I was 3 year old kid
>
> Your truely
> Dr.Pannirselvam .P.V
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Toby Seiler <seilertechco at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Tom,
>>>
>>> Jim was right, I'm working on a machine that is intended to some degree
>>> to integrate principles of making synthesis gas, so I have a vested
>>> interest in his use of terminology used in marketing his product that, I
>>> believe, contributes to a public misunderstanding.  I've asked Jim nice many
>>> times in the past to consider the differences that Doug, Bill Klein,
>>> Greg and many other professionals on this list have explained to Jim and
>>> myself years ago.
>>>
>>> GF (and others) recognize that there is commercial value in marketing the
>>> "syngas" claim in addition to the technical correctness issue.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately with a mushrooming interest in energy issues, many un or
>>> under-educated persons have now become part of our various governments and
>>> making public policy.  Continued use of wrong terminology, now even amongst
>>> government officials making policy decisions, eventually affects enterprise
>>> large and small.
>>>
>>> I'm impressed by Jim and his crew's ability to appeal to a large audience
>>> of interested, computer literate folks.  I wish him success.
>>>
>>> I don't want this to be harsh or attacking to Jim, but feel that
>>> continued effort to make alternative energy progress will require even
>>> greater technical distinctions, rather than blending terms together as
>>> "generic" terms.  Please help to clear up our "english" language version of
>>> Wiki defining these gases and their respective machinery.
>>>
>>> Have a good new years.
>>>
>>> Toby Seiler
>>> Seilertechco
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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