[Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada

Mon Jun 25 18:46:24 CDT 2012

Nat Res Canada is supporting viessmann ??

Please clarify,

Greg Manning

Canadian Gasifier Ltd.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Decès-Petit, Cyrille <
Cyrille.Deces-Petit at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca> wrote:

> You might add on your list:
> http://www.viessmann.com/com/en/products/Wood_heating_systems.html
> They have some commercial units in operation.
> They also have an interesting stirling engine for micro-CHP, but so far NG
> based only.
>
> Cyrille
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:
> gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Tom Miles
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 4:11 PM
> To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'; mark at ludlow.com
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British
> Columbia, Vancouver, Canada
>
> Thomas
>
> Who are the likely small scale gasifier suppliers that will conquer these
> challenges?
>
> A
> Ankur Scientific, India http://www.ankurscientific.com/
>
> B.
> Babcock Volund, Denmark http://www.volund.dk/
>        3 gasifiers up to 2 MWe
>
> Biogen, Dominican Republic http://www.biogendr.com/app/en/frontpage.aspx
>        300-500 kWe modules, Italy
> C
> CarboConsult, South Africa http://www.carboconsult.com/
>        250 kWe, Melanie, Gauteng, South Africa
>
> Carbona/Andritz, Finland
> http://www.andritz.com/pp-gasification-andritz-carbona
>        3 MWe plant in Skive, Denmark
>
> CleanStGas, Austria http://www.cleanstgas.com/
>        125-250 kWe/235-480 kWth
>
> Community Power Corporation www.gocpc.com
>        50-75 kWe modules.
>
> E
> EKZ, Switzerland www.ekz.ch
>        Turnkey wood gasifier installations
>
> G
> Gasek, Finland www.gasek.fi
>        50 kWe/100 kWth
>
> I
> IISc, India  and Licensees
>
> http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Technologies/BiomassGasification/tabid/68/Def
> ault.aspx
>
>
> M
>
> MEVA Innovation AB, Sweden (fine wood fuels) http://www.mevainnovation.se/
>        1-10 MWe; 1.2 MWe in construction Horlax, Pitea
>
> Mothermik, Germany http://www.mothermik.com/engl/prod-1holzver-e.html
>        10 plants.250 kWe
>
> N
> Nexterra Ltd., Vancouver, Canada http://www.nexterra.ca/
>        2 MWe in construction. University of British Columbia
>
> R
> Repotec, Austria http://www.repotec.at/index.php/homepage.html
>        Dual fluidized bed for CHP
>
> S
> Satake, Japan (IISc, India technology)
> http://www.satake-group.com/news/2008/080214.html
>        Up to 900 kWe modules
>
> Stirling DK, Denmark http://www.stirling.dk/
>        15-140 kWe, Updraft gasifier with stirling engine.
>
> T
> TK Eenergi, Denmark http://www.tke.dk
>        3 stage gasifier
> U
> Urbas Energietechnik, Austria http://www.rsbiomass.com/urbas_gas.html
>        150 kWe/310 kWth fixed bed downdraft
>
> W
> Weiss, Denmark, two stage gasification www.weiss-as.dk
>        1-2 MWe
>
> X
> Xylowatt, Belgium http://www.xylowatt.com/
>        350 kWe modules
>
> XyloPower AG, Switzerland www.xylopower.com
>
>
> Which companies have 3 operating, commercial, gasifiers?
>
> Who else?
>
> Tom Miles
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of
> Thomas Koch
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:15 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification; mark at ludlow.com
> Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British
> Columbia, Vancouver, Canada
>
> Tom
>
> I am sure this price level is achieveable - BUT BUT BUT - there is a major
> challege that must be overcommed.
>
> You need some where you can have 5-10 similar gasifiers operating for 10
> of thousans of hours each with in reachable distance from their "parent (s)"
> and this alone needs 50 - 100 mio $ on top of the market price for the
> electricity - and it is possible to maintain a stable and bright and not
> religious brain capacity for a decade or two.
>
> On top of that you need to start with a good idea and that is where most
> principles fail.
> And what does that mean?
> Not too complex - with a potential to handle the challenges that will come
> in an ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE way!!!
>
> Examples - Vølund - Nexterra - CFBs-Repotec and this type of gasifiers
> will alvays have the challenge og tar/perticle gas handling issues -
> personally I believe it is too complex to handle in a competitive way.
> FCC - may be large scale - but catalyst and gasifier is a challenge
> 2-3 stage - Viking - double feuer - TKE - and the likes have high
> temperature challenges and reduction challenges and bed stability issues -
> variation in gaspermeability etc Stirling show a large drop in efficiency
> if upscaled above 50-75 kW thus the biomass handling systems becomes very
> small and sensitive.
> Entrained flow are very big and needs extensive pretreatment of the fuel.
>
> Many things will work for some time if nursed properly by the enthusiastic
> developers.
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] På vegne af Tom
> Miles
> Sendt: 25. juni 2012 22:51
> Til: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'; mark at ludlow.com
> Emne: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia,
> Vancouver, Canada
>
> Thomas,
>
> You seem to be the bearer of good news.
>
> Can you deliver a (3 stage) gasifier(s) to deliver 2 MWe to a grid in
> Alaska? What would you expect the capital and operating costs to be?
>
> We have a few small communities with electrical loads of 1-2 MWe. Power is
> currently supplied from diesel generators for USD $0.44-$0.65/kWh. Good
> clean wood chips are available at $40-50% MC and $USD 85-100/dry ton. #2
> heating oil costs about $4.40 or about $32/MMBtu (HHV). Most communities
> just want to produce power. Heat distribution does not exist but they could
> probably sell heat in a small loop for about $20/MMBtu. Is there a future
> for gasification in these communities?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom Miles
>
>
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