[Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada

Mon Jun 25 19:17:52 CDT 2012

NRC's mission is to support Canadian industry, and it's Canadian Industry (and everyone) interest to know what is being done elsewhere.

Cyrille

From: gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Greg Manning
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 4:46 PM
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada

Nat Res Canada is supporting viessmann ??

Please clarify,

Greg Manning

Canadian Gasifier Ltd.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Decès-Petit, Cyrille <Cyrille.Deces-Petit at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca<mailto:Cyrille.Deces-Petit at nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>> wrote:
You might add on your list:
http://www.viessmann.com/com/en/products/Wood_heating_systems.html
They have some commercial units in operation.
They also have an interesting stirling engine for micro-CHP, but so far NG based only.

Cyrille

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From: gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org<mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org> [mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org<mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org>] On Behalf Of Tom Miles
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 4:11 PM
To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'; mark at ludlow.com<mailto:mark at ludlow.com>
Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada

Thomas

Who are the likely small scale gasifier suppliers that will conquer these challenges?

A
Ankur Scientific, India http://www.ankurscientific.com/

B.
Babcock Volund, Denmark http://www.volund.dk/
       3 gasifiers up to 2 MWe

Biogen, Dominican Republic http://www.biogendr.com/app/en/frontpage.aspx
       300-500 kWe modules, Italy
C
CarboConsult, South Africa http://www.carboconsult.com/
       250 kWe, Melanie, Gauteng, South Africa

Carbona/Andritz, Finland
http://www.andritz.com/pp-gasification-andritz-carbona
       3 MWe plant in Skive, Denmark

CleanStGas, Austria http://www.cleanstgas.com/
       125-250 kWe/235-480 kWth

Community Power Corporation www.gocpc.com<http://www.gocpc.com>
       50-75 kWe modules.

E
EKZ, Switzerland www.ekz.ch<http://www.ekz.ch>
       Turnkey wood gasifier installations

G
Gasek, Finland www.gasek.fi<http://www.gasek.fi>
       50 kWe/100 kWth

I
IISc, India  and Licensees
http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Technologies/BiomassGasification/tabid/68/Def
ault.aspx

M

MEVA Innovation AB, Sweden (fine wood fuels) http://www.mevainnovation.se/
       1-10 MWe; 1.2 MWe in construction Horlax, Pitea

Mothermik, Germany http://www.mothermik.com/engl/prod-1holzver-e.html
       10 plants.250 kWe

N
Nexterra Ltd., Vancouver, Canada http://www.nexterra.ca/
       2 MWe in construction. University of British Columbia

R
Repotec, Austria http://www.repotec.at/index.php/homepage.html
       Dual fluidized bed for CHP

S
Satake, Japan (IISc, India technology)
http://www.satake-group.com/news/2008/080214.html
       Up to 900 kWe modules

Stirling DK, Denmark http://www.stirling.dk/
       15-140 kWe, Updraft gasifier with stirling engine.

T
TK Eenergi, Denmark http://www.tke.dk
       3 stage gasifier
U
Urbas Energietechnik, Austria http://www.rsbiomass.com/urbas_gas.html
       150 kWe/310 kWth fixed bed downdraft

W
Weiss, Denmark, two stage gasification www.weiss-as.dk<http://www.weiss-as.dk>
       1-2 MWe

X
Xylowatt, Belgium http://www.xylowatt.com/
       350 kWe modules

XyloPower AG, Switzerland www.xylopower.com<http://www.xylopower.com>

Which companies have 3 operating, commercial, gasifiers?

Who else?

Tom Miles

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Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:15 PM
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification; mark at ludlow.com<mailto:mark at ludlow.com>
Subject: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada

Tom

I am sure this price level is achieveable - BUT BUT BUT - there is a major challege that must be overcommed.

You need some where you can have 5-10 similar gasifiers operating for 10 of thousans of hours each with in reachable distance from their "parent (s)"
and this alone needs 50 - 100 mio $ on top of the market price for the electricity - and it is possible to maintain a stable and bright and not religious brain capacity for a decade or two.

On top of that you need to start with a good idea and that is where most principles fail.
And what does that mean?
Not too complex - with a potential to handle the challenges that will come in an ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE way!!!

Examples - Vølund - Nexterra - CFBs-Repotec and this type of gasifiers will alvays have the challenge og tar/perticle gas handling issues - personally I believe it is too complex to handle in a competitive way.
FCC - may be large scale - but catalyst and gasifier is a challenge
2-3 stage - Viking - double feuer - TKE - and the likes have high temperature challenges and reduction challenges and bed stability issues - variation in gaspermeability etc Stirling show a large drop in efficiency if upscaled above 50-75 kW thus the biomass handling systems becomes very small and sensitive.
Entrained flow are very big and needs extensive pretreatment of the fuel.

Many things will work for some time if nursed properly by the enthusiastic developers.

Thomas

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[mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org<mailto:gasification-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org>] På vegne af Tom Miles
Sendt: 25. juni 2012 22:51
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Emne: Re: [Gasification] 2 MWe Gasifier at University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada

Thomas,

You seem to be the bearer of good news.

Can you deliver a (3 stage) gasifier(s) to deliver 2 MWe to a grid in Alaska? What would you expect the capital and operating costs to be?

We have a few small communities with electrical loads of 1-2 MWe. Power is currently supplied from diesel generators for USD $0.44-$0.65/kWh. Good clean wood chips are available at $40-50% MC and $USD 85-100/dry ton. #2 heating oil costs about $4.40 or about $32/MMBtu (HHV). Most communities just want to produce power. Heat distribution does not exist but they could probably sell heat in a small loop for about $20/MMBtu. Is there a future for gasification in these communities?

Thanks

Tom Miles

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