[Gasification] Tennessee company - pyrolysis biochar + hydrogen ($1.75 pe...

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Technically, it is possible to salvage a considerable portion of the  waste 
heat which is normally discarded by an I.C.Engine to assist in the  
production of methane from hot CO2 in the presence of  biomass or any other  hydro 
carbon, The extra input of energy to assist the reaction can be in the  form 
of an electrical plasma which could be obtained from say a 100amp  
automotive alternator. There are other issues such as N2 removal from the fuel  
loop. This is the way it will go.
 
 
Sabatier reaction
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Sabatier  reaction or Sabatier process was discovered by the French 
chemist Paul Sabatier  in the 1910s. It involves the reaction of hydrogen with 
carbon dioxide at  elevated temperatures (optimally 300–400 °C) and 
pressures in the presence of a  nickel catalyst to produce methane and water. 
Optionally, ruthenium on alumina  (aluminum oxide) makes a more efficient 
catalyst. It is described by the  following exothermic reaction:
 
CO2 + 4 H2 + energy → CH4 + 2 H2O
∆H = −165.0 kJ/mol
(some initial  energy/heat is required to start the reaction)
 
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In a message dated 5/14/2014 1:57:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
adkarve at gmail.com writes:

Dear  Art,
yes I agree with you, that using methane from natural gas would  make
the process simpler and cheaper  than using coal. Besides, using  coal
would also involve getting rid of ash.  Perhaps, one can  produce
enough methane from agricultural and urban waste, which would make  it
a carbon neutral process.
Yours
A.D.Karve

On Wed, May 14,  2014 at 12:37 PM, Art Krenzel <phoenix98604 at msn.com> wrote:
> Dr.  Karve,
>
> Being able to technically generate hydrogen using  incandescent carbon in 
a
> water gas reaction does not make the process  economically competitive.
> Typically, the use of incandescent carbon is  a batch, cyclic process 
which
> produces pulses of gases which vary in  purity over each cycle
>
> Compare the economics of using a batch  feedstock which has a variable
> composition to one which has a very  pure, low cost feedstock (CH4) day in
> and day out.  As a process  designer, you can readily see that even 
through
> the chemistry works  out to generate hydrogen using incandescent carbon, 
the
> day to day  practicality of operating a multistage process with such a
> variable  feedstock is much more difficult and more expensive.
>
>  Art
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2014  06:34:07 +0530
>> From: adkarve at gmail.com
>> To:  gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
>
>> Subject: Re:  [Gasification] Tennessee company - pyrolysis biochar +
>> hydrogen  ($1.75 per gallon diesel-equivalent?)
>>
>> Dear  Art,
>> I am not a chemist but I feel that we can also separate the  hydrogen
>> from water gas. India is the world's third largest  producer of
>> chemical fertilizers and I am quite sure that the  Indian fertilizer
>> producers also use natural gas as their source  of hydrogen. India
>> generates annually about 800 million tonnes of  agricultural waste,
>> which can serve as the source to produce  charcoal. This charcoal would
>> have the same amount of energy as  all the petroleum that we import.
>> We have developed charring kilns  for charring light biomass into a
>> powdery charcoal. currently we  briquette it and use it as domestic
>> fuel. We have also made water  gas from our char and demonstrated its
>> use as fuel.
>>  Yours
>> A.D.Karve
>>
>> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at  10:46 AM, Greg Manning <a31ford at gmail.com> 
wrote:
>> >  Art
>> >
>> > Thank you for the  explanation,
>> >
>> > I knew they used natural gas,  but had no idea of the process.
>> >
>> > Greg  Manning
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 11,  2014 at 9:28 PM, Art Krenzel <phoenix98604 at msn.com>
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dr. Karve,
>>  >>
>> >> The Haber Bosch Process is used to convert  hydrogen from natural gas
>> >> and
>> >>  nitrogen from air into ammonia. Yes, it is an energy intensive  
process.
>> >>
>> >> See:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process
>> >>
>>  >> This conversion is typically conducted at 15-25 MPa (2,200-3,600  
psi)
>> >> or
>> >> 150-250 bar and between  300-550 °C (572-1,022 °F), as the gases are
>> >>  passed
>> >> over four beds of catalyst, with cooling between  each pass so as to
>> >> maintain
>> >> a  reasonable equilibrium constant. On each pass only about 15%
>>  >> conversion
>> >> occurs, but any unreacted gases are  recycled, and eventually an 
overall
>> >> conversion of 97% is  achieved.[1]
>> >>
>> >> Art Krenzel
>>  >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>  >>
>> >> > Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 07:29:51  +0530
>> >> > From: adkarve at gmail.com
>> >>  > To: biochar-policy at yahoogroups.com;
>> >> >  gasification at lists.bioenergylists.org
>> >> > Subject: Re:  [Gasification] Tennessee company - pyrolysis biochar +
>> >>  > hydrogen ($1.75 per gallon diesel-equivalent?)
>>  >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear  Greg,
>> >> > the major component of natural gas is methane.  How does the
>> >> > fertilizer
>> >> >  industry separate out hydrogen from methane? The process must be
>>  >> > consuming a lot of energy.
>> >> >  Yours
>> >> > A.D.Karve
>> >>  >
>> >> > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Anand Karve  <adkarve at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>>  >> > > Dear List,
>> >> > > Already in the  first decade of the last century, Haber in Germany
>> >> >  > developed a process for making ammonia by combining nitrogen in  
the
>> >> > > air with hydrogen. I was told that this  process is used even 
today
>> >> > > by
>>  >> > > fertilizer manufacturers. Where does the fertilizer  industry get
>> >> > > its
>> >> > >  hydrogen from?
>> >> > > Yours
>> >> >  > A.D.Karve
>> >> > >
>> >> > >  On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, John Bonitz john.bonitz at gmail.com
>>  >> > > [biochar-policy] <biochar-policy at yahoogroups.com>  wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> >  >>
>> >> > >> Return of the Pyromaniax: Proton  Power and its hydrous pyrolysis
>> >> > >> process  for
>> >> > >> super low-cost hydrogen, by Jim Lane,  May 8, 2014
>> >> > >>
>> >> >  >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>  
http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/bdigest/2014/05/08/return-of-the-pyromaniax-proton-power-and-its-hydrous-pyrolysis-process-for-super-low-cost-
hydrogen/
>>  >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >>  > >>
>> >> > >> John Bonitz
>>  >> > >> Pittsboro, NC
>> >> >  >>
>> >> > >> 919-360-2492 |  LinkedIn
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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