[Greenbuilding] Another Day. Another Challenge....Dishwashers this time!

[George Tremblay]

We've been delighted with a Bosch for 3+ years (previously had no
dishwashing appliance).  Only three of us, but it's small enough to run
about every other day.  Short (30 min) cycle does a fabulous job.  You've
certainly got a point about embodied energy in the manufacturing, though.

George Tremblay

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Matt Dirksen <dirksengreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wholeheartedly agree, Ruben.
>
> We have had a  "drawer style" dw for a couple of years and it has been
> terrible. We only use it when we have lots of people over. Even then, I have
> to rinse everything first & hope it actually cleans, then I always pull it
> open to air dry because it takes much less time (and since it's regular dry
> cycle never adequately dries.) Perhaps if we had a dw which actually did its
> job well, I would feel different about it (I still regret not getting the
> Bosch.)
>
> I really think those experiments out there which "proove" that dishwashers
> are more efficient than handwashing are biased. Perhaps I may use a couple
> more gallons of water here and there, but nothing compares to air drying
> dishes on a rack. (not to mention the energy required to manufacture and
> dispose of the thing.)
>
> I also never understood how dishwashers are Energy Star rated and driers
> are not. As far as convienance appliances, we find the drier much more
> necessary than the dishwasher. We used to line dry, but because of pollen
> and deer ticks, we'd end up throwing our "line dried" clothing in the drier
> afterward anyway. The kids slam thru a ton more clothes than they do dishes.
> Once we gave them their "own" dishes (cups & bowels with names on them) we
> have a lot less dish washing to do.
>
> Oh well, my apologies for the tangent.
>
> Matt
>
>
> On Aug 2, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Reuben Deumling <9watts at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > let's not forget the many life cycle benefits of washing dishes by hand:
> > less inputs of all kinds, no upfront cost, no repair bills, less energy
> and water (potential for conservation is entirely a function of the dish
> washer's technique), kitchen can be smaller because it doesn't need to
> accommodate the box, smaller house = less conditioned space, and on and on.
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