[Greenbuilding] low flow shower heads

lee Weaver lgweaver at gmail.com
Wed May 18 00:14:47 PDT 2011

I see energy as a sustainable thing.  If done right.  Fossil fuels 
aren't.  and I do understand that most of our energy is produced by that 
method at this time, but times are a changes in that arena.  What I have 
been trained, yes trained I have been to several EPA approved courses on 
Hazard Materials and the like, is that sewage processing discharges 
clean water.  and yes it is possible for all contanimation to be removed 
form contaminated water.  it does take energy to do so but it is possible.

As far as why have or participate in green building lists?  I believe in 
sustainable building.  I was unfortunately unable to get a loan to build 
in that manor so I bought a stick built home,  but I did not build a new 
one.  and I am making energy consumption improvements to make this 1924 
home more "Green"  but buying a home in existence and not building a new 
stick built home is in it's self green in a way, kind of like recycling.

I do stand by what I said I am not trying to start an argument, but a 
discussion with a differing point of view never hurt anyone.  Who knows 
we may shine a light on something none of us expected.


On 5/17/2011 10:30 PM, Reuben Deumling wrote:
> You do seem to privilege money and the economy over biophysical
> systems. Not that you don't have lots of company. But I beg to differ.
> If the economy trumps biophysical limits why have a greenbuilding
> list, why ask questions of members on that list?
> The planet can afford the individual under discussion, actually, but
> *we* can't afford to have very many individuals acting like that
> because we then eventually won't be able to live more modest lives
> because it's all gone to hell. Flushed down the toilet with all the
> antibiotics and endocrine disruptors and draino and who knows what
> else. Are you going to drink that, bathe in it, feed it to your
> tomatoes?
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:00 PM, lee Weaver<lgweaver at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> So then if you are on municipal water systems  and are willing to pay for
>> the water and sewer you are then helping the economy (providing jobs for the
>> power, water, and sewer company workers) the water used by the shower will
>> not be polluted to the point that the sewer system will not be able to
>> return it to the aquifer.
>> I still fail to see why "The planet cannot afford such individuals with
>> little regard for the rest of us." is a valid stance on this topic when all
>> it does it remove a portion of water from availability for a time, it is
>> returned. It even helps a number of people if you take into account all the
>> people working in the field of supplying the water and energy(if you are on
>> municipal services).
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