[Greenbuilding] Drying Clothes

[elitalking]

Amen to Carbon Tax for simplicity of getting to the point and getting the non caring to participate in the solution. 
Eli
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steven Tjiang 
  To: Green Building 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Drying Clothes


  I disagree...I think tax and price mechanisms are the only thing that reliably works as long as we value individual choice and individual innovation.  Our politicians are just too weak to lead, to weak to explain this to everybody.  What we need is a carbon tax.......it's one simple mechanism and doesn't rely on anybody's unreliable motive to do the "right" thing, nor all sorts of regulation that ultimately has unintended consequences.


  ---- Steve (KZ6LSD)



  On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Reuben Deumling <9watts at gmail.com> wrote:



    On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:21 PM, JAY WALSH <jaywalsh at usa.net> wrote:
    > Can't say I have any better solutions, but question banking on higher prices and scarcity as a
    > solution that will save us.


    price increases alone do not a policy make, even though (some) salutary effects may accompany these rises. I think supply side solutions have had a thirty-year run with not so much to show, so now it's time to revisit demand side solutions. How hard could it be? To reduce our consumption of electricity by 80% below 1990 levels is to return to ~1960 consumption levels (this does not take account of population growth). Many people in every town are already consuming at levels comparable to this today (with or without expert guidance). We could ask them how they do it for starters.
    Or start a competition between households, between neighborhoods, between towns. Offer real prizes. 

    If the city of Murcia, Spain can  offer citizens a chance to trade in their cars for a lifetime pass for its new tram system, what could we do in the US that reflects a comparably serious commitment to avoiding climate change?




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