[Greenbuilding] ENERGY STAR Clothes Dryers Program Launch

Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn info at ecobrooklyn.com
Sun Jul 22 22:05:27 CDT 2012


Ever since I stopped showing moral repugnance towards peoples' clothes
drying habits I get invited over to diner a lot more. Strange.

I think that forward thinking people discover better ways to do things.
The rest of society only follows when they are forced to.
This is not a judgement but merely an observation of history.
In that sense I don't really see this stuff as moral.
I do feel we are on the fast track to "Armageddon" from a human point
of view, but as somebody who really appreciates the mystery of life, I
don't put much moral weight to any of it. It is just an intense ride!

Gennaro Brooks-Church
Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
www.EcoBrooklyn.com
22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231


On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Paul Eldridge
<paul.eldridge at ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I'm not too worried that you or anyone else might try to take away my tumble
> dryer, or that forces beyond my control will conspire against me and my
> spendthrift ways (and if they do, then so be it). I guess my vision of the
> future is quite different from your own.
>
> I've line dried in the past, but have come to appreciate the convenience of
> tossing everything into the dryer, twisting a knob and pressing a button,
> and it seems that I'm far from alone in this.  And if someone disapproves of
> my choices or finds my behaviour morally repugnant, I'm OK with that too.
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
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>> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:38:46 -0700
>> From: Reuben Deumling <9watts at gmail.com>
>> To: Green Building <greenbuilding at lists.bioenergylists.org>
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>> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] ENERGY STAR Clothes Dryers Program Launch
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>>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 5:36 AM, Paul Eldridge <
>>> paul.eldridge at ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> There are roughly 90 million tumble dryers in the United States alone and
>>> no matter how much we collectively hold our breath and stomp our feet (or
>>> pontificate), they're not going to magically disappear.
>>>
>>
>> This is the kind of argument I hear in discussions of when cars may no
>> longer be ubiquitous. Invariably someone will say 'You're trying to take
>> my
>> car away!'  These kinds of statements betray an understandable anxiety
>> about the kinds of changes that might be afoot, but also a
>> misunderstanding
>> of who's in charge. I'm not trying to take anyone's car or clothes dryer
>> away. Personalizing this is absurd. The people who argue that we can't
>> afford clothes dryers powered by fossil fuel or the grid, or that cars
>> have
>> no future aren't saying this because they want to ruin other people's fun
>> or convenience. I believe we say this because it is our best guess as to
>> what will come to pass, whether we want it or not. Pretending that this
>> doesn't concern us, that consumers rule, that we're somehow exempt from
>> all
>> the limits others take seriously is ridiculous.  In the US we have gotten
>> used to thinking we're in charge, that if we want clothes dryers well then
>> we're damn well going to get (to keep our) clothes dryers. But what if one
>> day we discover that we no longer call the shots, hold all the cards?
>> Dryers aren't going to 'magically disappear,' but they might cease to be
>> viable. Public opinion I think could easily shift when we realize the
>> absurdity of thinking we need power plants and a complex grid and ancient
>> sunlight to accomplish a task as simple as drying our clothes.
>>
>>>
>>> According to Natural Resources Canada, electric dryers sold in 2008
>>> consume, on average, 916 kWh a year.  That number is based on eight loads
>>> a
>>> week, which works out to be some 2.2 kWh per use. As a two person
>>> household, we typically run two loads of laundry a week -- 229 kWh/year.
>>> A
>>> TV set-top box (and there are reportedly 160 million of them in US
>>> households) or digital video recorder could consume upwards of twice that
>>> over the course of the year. Where are the pitchforks and torches?
>>>
>>
>> The whole thing is ridiculous. Just because we keep thinking of new ways
>> to
>> use electricity doesn't mean older ways aren't discretionary, aren't
>> something we can un-learn.
>
>
>
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