[Greenbuilding] Jevon's and plumbers

David Bergman bergman at cyberg.com
Mon Jul 30 16:15:12 CDT 2012 

Yes, those set top boxes are indeed a problem. 
Ours is dying and therefore in need of 
replacement. I asked Time Warner (our only 
available cable source) for an Energy Star rated 
box -- they are available on the market -- but TWC said they don't have them.

I wish there was a way I could deduct my 
electricity charges on that from our huge monthly TWC bill.

(And, yes, we do have it on a plug strip. But 
remembering to turn it off each time is a frequently lost battle.)

David

At 04:38 PM 7/30/2012, you wrote:
>I can attest to that. A few years ago we got new 
>service that required a set-top box that could 
>not be turned off­hitting Power Off didn’t 
>actually turn the thing off (b/c the box wants 
>to keep getting the data feed from the node). 
>Threw a kill-a-watt on there and found each box 
>sucking 40 watts ­ 24/7/365.  I calculated that 
>to be costing me about $3.50/mo since we have 3 
>TVs. I threw a Smart Strip power strip on each 
>set-up, so whenever we turn the TV off, the 
>strip cuts off the peripherals as it they’re 
>being unplugged.  When it comes back on it takes 
>about a minute for the box to reboot­a pain in 
>the rear to be sure­but worth it as far as I’m 
>concerned. Talk about vampire load.
>
>I believe Energy Star is now unveiling a label 
>for set-top boxes which has the potential to be 
>a huge difference maker.  But you’ll need to see 
>if your cable provider has the new boxes and will swap them out.
>
>
>On 7/30/12 3:28 PM, "Michael O'Brien" 
><<obrien at hevanet.htm>obrien at hevanet.com> wrote:
>
>Hi, David--
>A modern TV is usually integrated into a system 
>that includes a set-top cable box, a recorder 
>(like Tivo), DVD player, a network box (like 
>Apple TV) and maybe a VCR. So I think it makes 
>more sense to determine the total consumption of 
>that " TV ecosystem" to get an accurate picture 
>of current watts and overall efficiency.
>For example, here's an evaluation of wattages of 
>set-top boxes: 
>www.nrdc.org/energy/files/settopboxes.pdf 
><http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/settopboxes.pdf> 
>. They can consume more watts than the TV itself.
>Best,
>Mike
>
>Mike O'Brien Photography
>mikeoregon.zenfolio.com 
><<http://mikeoregon.zenfolio.com>http://mikeoregon.zenfolio.com>
>
>
>
>On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:48 AM, David Bergman wrote:
>
>Thanks Paul. That's great to hear. I suspect the 
>reports I'd read were written when plasma flat-screens were more prevalent.
>BTW, don't know if you noted that I live on Eldridge Street!
>David
>At 02:43 PM 7/30/2012, you wrote:
>Hi David, I haven't been able to confirm this 
>elsewhere, but I've read on one site that "very 
>early tube TVs from the 1950s produced (sic) 
>well over 400 watts" (source:Â 
><http://www.ehow.com/info_7795151_hd-tvs-vs-older-tvs.html).Â>http://www.ehow.com/info_7795151_hd-tvs-vs-older-tvs.html). 
><<http://www.ehow.com/info_7795151_hd-tvs-vs-older-tvs.html).%C2%A0>http://www.ehow.com/info_7795151_hd-tvs-vs-older-tvs.html).%C2%A0> 
>Today, a 42-inch Panasonic TC-L42D30 consumes 
>just 91-watts. Hoping for something even 
>better?  The LG 47-inch  LCD HDTV reportedly 
>consumes just 28-watts (source:Â 
><http://www.electronichouse.com/article/lg_display_offering_worlds_most_energy-efficient_47-inch_lcd_hdtv/>http://www.electronichouse.com/article/lg_display_offering_worlds_most_energy-efficient_47-inch_lcd_hdtv/). 
>Cheers, Paul >I think Jevon's Paradox gets 
>overquoted and >overestimated as an 
>anti-efficiency tactic. While >there's no doubt 
>it exists to a degree, I believe >most studies 
>have shown that the increases in >usage are not 
>larger than the gains in efficiency. > >I know 
>I've read several such articles recently, >but 
>can't put my finger on them. Anyone 
>recall? > >And I think a major exception cited 
>is >televisions, where they've become 
>more >energy-efficient but they've also gotten 
>much >larger. But you can argue that there are 
>two >separate factors at work there. Similarly 
>for refrigerators. > >David >David 
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