[Greenbuilding] Jevon's and plumbers

Jason Holstine jason at amicusgreen.com
Mon Jul 30 17:36:38 CDT 2012 

Silly, David. Let the strip do it automatically so you don’t have to worry
about manual switching on and off.

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On 7/30/12 5:15 PM, "David Bergman" <bergman at cyberg.com> wrote:

> Yes, those set top boxes are indeed a problem. Ours is dying and therefore in
> need of replacement. I asked Time Warner (our only available cable source) for
> an Energy Star rated box -- they are available on the market -- but TWC said
> they don't have them.
> 
> I wish there was a way I could deduct my electricity charges on that from our
> huge monthly TWC bill.
> 
> (And, yes, we do have it on a plug strip. But remembering to turn it off each
> time is a frequently lost battle.)
> 
> David
> 
> At 04:38 PM 7/30/2012, you wrote:
>> I can attest to that. A few years ago we got new service that required a
>> set-top box that could not be turned off­hitting Power Off didn’t actually
>> turn the thing off (b/c the box wants to keep getting the data feed from the
>> node). Threw a kill-a-watt on there and found each box sucking 40 watts ­
>> 24/7/365.  I calculated that to be costing me about $3.50/mo since we have 3
>> TVs. I threw a Smart Strip power strip on each set-up, so whenever we turn
>> the TV off, the strip cuts off the peripherals as it they’re being unplugged.
>> When it comes back on it takes about a minute for the box to reboot­a pain in
>> the rear to be sure­but worth it as far as I’m concerned. Talk about vampire
>> load.
>> 
>> I believe Energy Star is now unveiling a label for set-top boxes which has
>> the potential to be a huge difference maker.  But you’ll need to see if your
>> cable provider has the new boxes and will swap them out.
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/30/12 3:28 PM, "Michael O'Brien" <obrien at hevanet.com
>> <obrien at hevanet.htm> > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, David--
>> A modern TV is usually integrated into a system that includes a set-top cable
>> box, a recorder (like Tivo), DVD player, a network box (like Apple TV) and
>> maybe a VCR. So I think it makes more sense to determine the total
>> consumption of that " TV ecosystem" to get an accurate picture of current
>> watts and overall efficiency.
>> For example, here's an evaluation of wattages of set-top boxes:
>> www.nrdc.org/energy/files/settopboxes.pdf
>> <http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/settopboxes.pdf> <
>> http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/settopboxes.pdf
>> <http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/settopboxes.pdf> > . They can consume more
>> watts than the TV itself.
>> Best,
>> Mike
>> 
>> Mike O'Brien Photography mikeoregon.zenfolio.com <
>> http://mikeoregon.zenfolio.com <http://mikeoregon.zenfolio.com> >
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:48 AM, David Bergman wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Paul. That's great to hear. I suspect the reports I'd read were
>> written when plasma flat-screens were more prevalent.
>> BTW, don't know if you noted that I live on Eldridge Street!
>> David
>> At 02:43 PM 7/30/2012, you wrote: Hi David, I haven't been able to confirm
>> this elsewhere, but I've read on one site that "very early tube TVs from the
>> 1950s produced (sic) well over 400 watts" (source:Â
>> http://www.ehow.com/info_7795151_hd-tvs-vs-older-tvs.html). <
>> http://www.ehow.com/info_7795151_hd-tvs-vs-older-tvs.html).%C2%A0
>> <http://www.ehow.com/info_7795151_hd-tvs-vs-older-tvs.html).%C2%A0> >  Today,
>> a 42-inch Panasonic TC-L42D30 consumes just 91-watts. Hoping for something
>> even better?  The LG 47-inch  LCD HDTV reportedly consumes just 28-watts
>> (source:Â 
>> http://www.electronichouse.com/article/lg_display_offering_worlds_most_energy
>> -efficient_47-inch_lcd_hdtv/ ). Cheers, Paul >I think Jevon's Paradox gets
>> overquoted and >overestimated as an anti-efficiency tactic. While >there's no
>> doubt it exists to a degree, I believe >most studies have shown that the
>> increases in >usage are not larger than the gains in efficiency. > >I know
>> I've read several such articles recently, >but can't put my finger on them.
>> Anyone recall? > >And I think a major exception cited is >televisions, where
>> they've become more >energy-efficient but they've also gotten much >larger.
>> But you can argue that there are two >separate factors at work there.
>> Similarly for refrigerators. > >David >David Bergman  RA  LEED AP >DAVID
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>> http://www.ecooptimism.com/ <http://www.ecooptimism.com/> >  >adjunct faculty
>> - Parsons The New School for Design > >>Time again to remember Jevon's
>> Paradox: the more >>efficiently something is used, the more we will use. >>
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