[Greenbuilding] Brick Veneer over Thick Foam

John Salmen terrain at shaw.ca
Wed Mar 27 22:51:16 CDT 2013


What self referencing and ultimately disappointing planet are you on? Do you
have any concept of relevance or contribution?. Anyway the point is that
exterior finishes - fake cem wood, fake cem stone, whatever, are an exterior
(somewhat disposable) finish to be separated from an insulating envelope and
structure (somewhat less disposable). Personally I don't consider Oldcastle
a leader in providing useful products - just expedient ones.

 

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On Behalf Of ErgoDesk
Sent: March-27-13 8:04 PM
To: archilogic at chaffyahoo.ca; Green Building
Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Brick Veneer over Thick Foam

 

How disappointing John, this is a Canadian Company with well heeled parents.
An excerpt fron their Web Site... The SURETOUCH system was developed by
<http://www.permacon.ca/home.html?lang=en> Permacon, a subsidiary of
Oldcastle-CRH. For nearly sixty years, Permacon has led the field in the
creation of new masonry finishes and landscaping styles with its innovative
concrete products.

 

In recognition of this leadership, the parent company (Oldcastle-CRH)
located its North American Research & Development Centre at Permacon in
Montreal. It is therefore here in Canada that all the group's new products
for the world market are developed. more:
http://suretouch.ca/index.php?page=about-us 




Advanced, Super Insulated, Building Systems

http://about.me/ergodesk 

https://www.rebelmouse.com/styrohome/

 

Image removed by sender.

 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:36 PM, RT <archilogic at yahoo.ca> wrote:

On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:29:00 -0400, Eli Talking <elitalking at rockbridge.net>
wrote:

 The brick tie should not be required to penetrate all the way through the
3"-6" foam.  My intuitive approach is to treat just like siding by
installing furring strips that the brick ties can be mounted to.

 

While I think that 3-6" of foam outsulation over a wood-framed stud wall is
going overboard and unnecessarily expensive , different stroke for different
folks and all.

I don't think that I'd go the brick ties to wood furring strips route.
(Rotting wood if not treated, rotting hardware (unless all $tainle$$ $teel)
if using treated wood .

I think that I'd investigate the possibility of setting up a system of
something like those Tee-shaped steel fence posts either on the outside of
the foam or embedded in the foam if necessary to which wire brick ties could
be hooked .

It'd be a matter of devising a means to anchor the tops and bottoms of the
posts  and doing some number crunching to see if the "posts" would need
lateral support back to the wood framed wall (perhaps at mid-height) but
it'd certainly involve few penetrations of the outsulation than a
conventional brick tie system.

Perhaps the T-bars could also be utilised to deal with the persnickety
problem of how to anchor the 6 inch foam outsulation to the wood studs as
well without having to use screws that are so pricey that you think abpout
getting a pimp to handle them.

I mention the T-bar shape only because I know that they are cheap like
borscht and strong like bool.
But perhaps some other shape may prove to be better upon investigation.
Those hat channel shapes that are used for road signage may be an option too
?

Or perhaps the brick veneer itself could be designed to be self-stiffening
via geometry so that ties become redundant ?

-- 
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Rob Tom                                 AOD257
Kanata, Ontario, Canada

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