[Greenbuilding] Heating?

[Jason Holstine]

I get the feeling this client won¹t go for the maintenance and effort of a
stove‹sourcing the fuel, stoking it, clean-up, etc. Flipping a switch
if/when he needs will be his thing. I¹d just get him to sign a document
clarifying what conditions he may expect given the design he is requesting,
and relieve you of responsibility.


On 10/17/13 9:50 AM, "Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn"
<info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> Thanks for the comments. The client doesn't want any insulation. He is an
> artist and thinks he will be ok with a raw temp studio. I pointed out that a
> container in the summer is like a Japanese torture chamber and in the winter
> like a Russian gulag. 
> As a concession we are insulating around the base to keep the cold air out
> from under the floors. The interior walls will get 3" inches PolyISO. on top
> of the container the roof will get 3" XEPS and an extensive green roof. The
> ceiling nothing for now. The weakest point is the corner where the walls meet
> the ceiling since there is a direct thermal bridge. If the insulation was on
> the inside ceiling meeting the insulated walls I could break that bridge but
> the containers are low at 8' when raw space.
> Anyway, if his claims of being ok with the temps is true, then we only need a
> little boost to cut the extremes. I'm getting one suggestion for radiant heat.
> I'm thinking of suggesting a pellet stove....
> Your thoughts?
> 
> 
> Gennaro Brooks-Church
> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
> www.EcoBrooklyn.com <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com>
> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Norbert Senf <mheat at mha-net.org> wrote:
>> Electric radiant heaters, or radiant panels. Instant heat.
>> 
>> I have one in my office and one in my uninsulated garage. Instant-on zoned
>> radiant heat is the only way to go in an uninsulated space that is not living
>> space. Get real radiant heaters that beam the heat, which means either a
>> glowing element with a reflector, or a panel with a significant surface area.
>> Forget anything with a fan, oil filled, or that makes efficiency claims -
>> they all work off electric resistance, at 100% conversion efficiency because
>> the losses happen upstream. (Like Amory Lovins famously said, "heating with
>> electricity is like cutting butter with a chainsaw").
>> 
>> It is a matter of minimizing convection heating, that will simply go up and
>> out unless you heat individual small rooms with closed doors and without high
>> ceilings.
>> 
>> Norbert
>> 
>> 
>> At 06:18 PM 10/16/2013 -0400, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn wrote:
>>> I have a Brooklyn client for whom we are assembling a bunch of shipping
>>> containers to make an art studio. Three containers on the bottom level and
>>> two on the top level with a central flight of stairs connecting the levels.
>>> It is minimally insulated, mostly because he is ok with some extreme temps
>>> in the studio and also he doesn't see the (R!) value in spending lots of
>>> money on insulation....I've at least got him to spending some....
>>> 
>>> What non-gas heating would you suggest to keep the deep winter at bay?
>>> There is electric. There is a firewood supplier accross the way but that is
>>> neither here nor there in the big picture.
>>> For AC I am suggesting a couple window units given his budget and plans to
>>> only stay there 5 years, max ten.
>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
>>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 <tel:1%20347%20244%203016>  USA
>>> <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com>www.EcoBrooklyn.com <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com>
>>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
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