[Greenbuilding] Heating?

Jason Holstine jason at amicusgreen.com
Thu Oct 17 10:16:07 CDT 2013


Is it feasible to rough-in for a stove, so he could add it (or have you back
to install it) later when your predictions prove prescient?


On 10/17/13 10:41 AM, "Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn"
<info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:

> I agree he may not want the maintenance of a wood stove but when the cold
> hits, you'd be amazed at how people get enthusiastic about stoking the fire.
> My focus is to set him up with something ecological that stays within his
> budget but is suitable enough so he doesn't do something silly in desperation
> - like buy lots of space heaters and rack up a massive electric bill.
> For the hot but not sweltering I suggest massive industrial fans with exterior
> shading. For the really hot I don't know anything except mounted
> AC's....(minisplits does not make sense for the time period of 5-10 years.
> For heating thermal roof panels may be too much for the budget. A pellet stove
> may work....or even a wood stove...?
> 
> Gennaro Brooks-Church
> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
> www.EcoBrooklyn.com <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com>
> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Jason Holstine <jason at amicusgreen.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> I get the feeling this client won¹t go for the maintenance and effort of a
>> stove‹sourcing the fuel, stoking it, clean-up, etc. Flipping a switch if/when
>> he needs will be his thing. I¹d just get him to sign a document clarifying
>> what conditions he may expect given the design he is requesting, and relieve
>> you of responsibility.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/17/13 9:50 AM, "Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn"
>> <info at ecobrooklyn.com <http://info@ecobrooklyn.com> > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Thanks for the comments. The client doesn't want any insulation. He is an
>>> artist and thinks he will be ok with a raw temp studio. I pointed out that a
>>> container in the summer is like a Japanese torture chamber and in the winter
>>> like a Russian gulag. 
>>> As a concession we are insulating around the base to keep the cold air out
>>> from under the floors. The interior walls will get 3" inches PolyISO. on top
>>> of the container the roof will get 3" XEPS and an extensive green roof. The
>>> ceiling nothing for now. The weakest point is the corner where the walls
>>> meet the ceiling since there is a direct thermal bridge. If the insulation
>>> was on the inside ceiling meeting the insulated walls I could break that
>>> bridge but the containers are low at 8' when raw space.
>>> Anyway, if his claims of being ok with the temps is true, then we only need
>>> a little boost to cut the extremes. I'm getting one suggestion for radiant
>>> heat. I'm thinking of suggesting a pellet stove....
>>> Your thoughts?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
>>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 <tel:1%20347%20244%203016>  USA
>>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com>
>>> <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com>
>>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Norbert Senf <mheat at mha-net.org
>>> <http://mheat@mha-net.org> > wrote:
>>>> Electric radiant heaters, or radiant panels. Instant heat.
>>>> 
>>>> I have one in my office and one in my uninsulated garage. Instant-on zoned
>>>> radiant heat is the only way to go in an uninsulated space that is not
>>>> living space. Get real radiant heaters that beam the heat, which means
>>>> either a glowing element with a reflector, or a panel with a significant
>>>> surface area. Forget anything with a fan, oil filled, or that makes
>>>> efficiency claims - they all work off electric resistance, at 100%
>>>> conversion efficiency because the losses happen upstream. (Like Amory
>>>> Lovins famously said, "heating with electricity is like cutting butter with
>>>> a chainsaw").
>>>> 
>>>> It is a matter of minimizing convection heating, that will simply go up and
>>>> out unless you heat individual small rooms with closed doors and without
>>>> high ceilings.
>>>> 
>>>> Norbert
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> At 06:18 PM 10/16/2013 -0400, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn wrote:
>>>>> I have a Brooklyn client for whom we are assembling a bunch of shipping
>>>>> containers to make an art studio. Three containers on the bottom level and
>>>>> two on the top level with a central flight of stairs connecting the
>>>>> levels.
>>>>> It is minimally insulated, mostly because he is ok with some extreme temps
>>>>> in the studio and also he doesn't see the (R!) value in spending lots of
>>>>> money on insulation....I've at least got him to spending some....
>>>>> 
>>>>> What non-gas heating would you suggest to keep the deep winter at bay?
>>>>> There is electric. There is a firewood supplier accross the way but that
>>>>> is neither here nor there in the big picture.
>>>>> For AC I am suggesting a couple window units given his budget and plans to
>>>>> only stay there 5 years, max ten.
>>>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>>>> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
>>>>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 <tel:1%20347%20244%203016>
>>>>> <tel:1%20347%20244%203016>  USA
>>>>> <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com>www.EcoBrooklyn.com
>>>>> <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com>
>>>>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
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