[Greenbuilding] Heating?

Thu Oct 17 12:04:38 CDT 2013

He is open to installing hearing now.

On Thursday, October 17, 2013, Jason Holstine wrote:

>
> Is it feasible to rough-in for a stove, so he could add it (or have you
> back to install it) later when your predictions prove prescient?
>
>
> On 10/17/13 10:41 AM, "Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn" <
> info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:
>
> I agree he may not want the maintenance of a wood stove but when the cold
> hits, you'd be amazed at how people get enthusiastic about stoking the
> fire. My focus is to set him up with something ecological that stays within
> his budget but is suitable enough so he doesn't do something silly in
> desperation - like buy lots of space heaters and rack up a massive electric
> bill.
> For the hot but not sweltering I suggest massive industrial fans with
> exterior shading. For the really hot I don't know anything except mounted
> AC's....(minisplits does not make sense for the time period of 5-10 years.
> For heating thermal roof panels may be too much for the budget. A pellet
> stove may work....or even a wood stove...?
>
> Gennaro Brooks-Church
> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
> www.EcoBrooklyn.com <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com>
> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Jason Holstine <jason at amicusgreen.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> I get the feeling this client won’t go for the maintenance and effort of a
> stove—sourcing the fuel, stoking it, clean-up, etc. Flipping a switch
> if/when he needs will be his thing. I’d just get him to sign a document
> clarifying what conditions he may expect given the design he is requesting,
> and relieve you of responsibility.
>
>
>
> On 10/17/13 9:50 AM, "Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn" <
> info at ecobrooklyn.com <http://info@ecobrooklyn.com> > wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Thanks for the comments. The client doesn't want any insulation. He is an
> artist and thinks he will be ok with a raw temp studio. I pointed out that
> a container in the summer is like a Japanese torture chamber and in the
> winter like a Russian gulag.
> As a concession we are insulating around the base to keep the cold air out
> from under the floors. The interior walls will get 3" inches PolyISO. on
> top of the container the roof will get 3" XEPS and an extensive green roof.
> The ceiling nothing for now. The weakest point is the corner where the
> walls meet the ceiling since there is a direct thermal bridge. If the
> insulation was on the inside ceiling meeting the insulated walls I could
> break that bridge but the containers are low at 8' when raw space.
> Anyway, if his claims of being ok with the temps is true, then we only
> need a little boost to cut the extremes. I'm getting one suggestion for
> radiant heat. I'm thinking of suggesting a pellet stove....
> Your thoughts?
>
>
> Gennaro Brooks-Church
> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 <tel:1%20347%20244%203016>  USA
> www.EcoBrooklyn.com <http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com>  <
> http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com>
> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Norbert Senf <mheat at mha-net.org <
> http://mheat@mha-net.org> > wrote:
>
> Electric radiant heaters, or radiant panels. Instant heat.
>
> I have one in my office and one in my uninsulated garage. Instant-on zoned
> radiant heat is the only way to go in an uninsulated space that is not
> living space. Get real radiant heaters that beam the heat, which means
> either a glowing element with a reflector, or a panel with a significant
> surface area. Forget anything with a fan, oil filled, or that makes
> efficiency claims - they all work off electric resistance, at 100%
> conversion efficiency because the losses happen upstream. (Like Amory
> Lovins famously said, "heating with electricity is like cutting butter with
> a chainsaw").
>
> It is a matter of minimizing convection heating, that will simply go up
> and out unless you heat individual small rooms with closed doors and
> without high ceilings.
>
> Norbert
>
>
> At 06:18 PM 10/16/2013 -0400, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn wrote:
>
> I have a Brooklyn client for whom we are assembling a bunch of shipping
> containers to make an art studio. Three containers on the bottom level and
> two on the top level with a central flight of stairs connecting the levels.
> It is minimally insulated, mostly because he is ok with some extreme temps
> in the studio and also he doesn't see the (R!) value in spending lots of
> money on insulation....I've at least got him to spending some....
>
> What non-gas heating would you suggest to keep the deep winter at bay?
> There is electric. There is a firewood supplier accross the way but that
> is neither here nor there in the big picture.
> For AC I am suggesting a couple window units given his budget and plans to
> only stay there 5 years, max ten.
> Gennaro Brooks-Church
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> http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com>
> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
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