[Stoves] WorldStove replies to BioFuelWatyche's latestimprecisereporting of facts.

[Fireside Hearth]

What I have tried to convey is that I can burn even at my low end with nothing but heat plume, and the secondary burn temps never fall below 850 deg f. In other words there is nothing left to go up the flue. I am looking for a way I can afford to get the numbers needed to communicate effectively. I will be selling these soon to an audience eager to get my unit, and this will in turn fund EPA certification. Until then I am open to suggestion for testing which would cost less than the $20,000 I have been quoted. Thanks

Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:58:41 +0100
From: steve at thetaylorfamily.org.uk
To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
Subject: Re: [Stoves] WorldStove replies to BioFuelWatyche's latestimprecisereporting of facts.



On 28 July 2011 06:43, Fireside Hearth <firesidehearthvashon at hotmail.com> wrote:






Dear Ron.....

        What I have is 26 years of proven track record without the fancy language, or insults. I have created a stove, maybe by instinct, which works "damn well". I know what "pre" epa stoves did in our area, and what happened when certification came along. I was in the labs at Lopi and Avalon when they met their first certification challenge. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what burns dirty or clean, smoke out put is a great indicator. 


Unfortunately smoke is one parameter - but in our indoor cooking stove world CO and NOx is as important. 
 
        The best parameters I can give you would be what we are doing on a daily basis with this stove. If we burn a 5 lb log rated at 8500 btu/lb and a moisture content of approx 8% at a low run we have a burn time of up to 12 hours. During this burn our stove's cook top temps run up to 1150 deg.F. and the internal temps can run up to 1600.deg f.



but temperature is not the same as heat !
 
Come back with some verified numbers - or the sciency stuff you decry is going to end up making you look like a snake oil salesman. From the basic math I showed you yesterday, your energy release is a maximum of 700W over the time you describe. 


Stoves "running up to " is of zero interest - the pollution doesn't HAPPEN when the stove is running as hot as it can go. 

You need burn temperature data logged over several runs, with different fuel loads, and with different fuel geometries. 


As a small businessman myself, I have every sympathy with your position ! I would like you to have found the product with which you can make your fortune, but the from what you have shown here, you seem to be in great danger of believing in your product in the absence of good data. The ASTM produce some new tests for stove performance, I suggest you try and do them yourself.


Steve


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