[Stoves] High mass space heating options Re: Rocket Stove for the PLACE

[Fireside Hearth]

> To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:50:44 -0600
> From: acparker at xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] High mass space heating options Re: Rocket Stove for the PLACE
> 
> Malthusian angst is certainly understandable, if not perhaps supportable.   
> It does not, however, justify eugenics, for that is surely what any effort  
> at draconian control of population will result in.  If uncontrolled human  
> population growth results in widespread human suffering, so be it.  At  
> least it will be a result fairly bought by free choice. Ok, but whose free choice is it to continue having 8 or 9 kids per family? Not mine ! Maybe a condition of life should contain some of the Chinese rule of thumb that one kid and then sterilization. Why should the rest of suffer the same end as those freely choosing to over populate. 
> 
> I prefer to believe in the innate ingenuity and resourcefulness of humans  
> (like designing, promoting and distributing improved stoves). Well my good man, I fear that time may prohibit the great awakening which I do believe seems to be happening. But if everyone (everyone) did something simple each day, we could slow the clock.......maybe. So how do we unite the masses in time (watch blue water wars, read the world without us) as things are looking pretty slim. And I was a complete optimist a few months ago. Unfortunately I have learned many things which have put some dark grey clouds in my skies.
> 
> Also, the most successful tools in voluntary population control are  
> prosperity, education and equality of opportunity.  The results take two  
> or three generations to kick in, but they are fairly consistent. Sad, but I wonder what my grand daughter will have to look forward to when she is 50......from the looks of what the societal money addiction has done for our rampant consumerist, over consumptive, waste producing, carelessly destructive ways........I am not sure I would want to live in whats left.
Roger  
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> 
> Andrew Parker (Not AJH)
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> 
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:55:15 -0600, Fireside Hearth  
> <firesidehearthvashon at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Dear Steve,
> >
> >         I spent most of my adult life teaching people how to heat their  
> > homes without smoke coming from the chimney, when I see pictures of  
> > areas where bio char is being made I see horrible air pollution from the  
> > fires, and then I see trucks burning tons of gas/diesel to move this  
> > product long distances and sold so cheap that it's producers really  
> > don't get paid much at all for all this effort. I am really not even  
> > sure that there is any benefit which has been proven yet. If indeed  
> > there is a benefit to our food cycle, then there must also be a way of  
> > accomplishing this end without what looks like so much waste and  
> > pollution of air, land, and water. I am beginning to think that the only  
> > answer is negative population growth......sterilize everyone at birth,  
> > and remove a good portion of the overall population.....but where would  
> > they go?
> >
> > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:48:21 +0100
> > From: steve at thetaylorfamily.org.uk
> > To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] High mass space heating options Re: Rocket Stove  
> > for	the PLACE
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11 October 2011 04:12, Fireside Hearth  
> > <firesidehearthvashon at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Alex.....
> >
> >      So I guess maybe I am interested in learning about how char is made  
> > now and just maybe I might think of ways to make it with less  
> > environmental down sides. Any further info would be great, Thanks for  
> > your time.
> >
> >
> > I think you need to be more specific about how you think that using all  
> > the energy from the rest of the material in a clean way makes the  
> > resulting carbon residue have downsides ? The carbon residue is  
> > sequestered carbon, ready to be put back into the plant cycle.  
> > Slash/burn isn't designed to make char, its designed to clear land.
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
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