[Stoves] Don't waste the heat, grow red wigglers and glorious greens
Gerrie Baker
gbaker at rideau.net
Thu Oct 13 15:50:31 CDT 2011
Precisely that is why I propose using the huge boiler in the greenhouse
to produce biochar and the waste heat is "captured" and utilized for
raising worms and growing food. I would like input from experts who
want to advise and partner with this project. Nightime fire tending is
covered and when hot and air is shut down the char forms and the water
continues to circulate in the floor until light of day, char is cooled
and removed and cycle resumes with reignighting the fire box mid
afternoon. The char chunks produced in this huge wood biomass burner is
amazing and I have noticed positive results in both the worm beds and
gardens where it is applied. Gerrie
Regards, Gerrie Baker, aka The Worm Lady
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On 10/10/2011 10:39 AM, Chas Hinckley wrote:
> That is precisely the reason I am thinking about combining these two
> concepts; biomass/char and mass absorption and transmission. I want to
> produce char as a co-product of the heating cycle, cooking will also
> be a secondary consideration.
> My desire is to find a design that will benefit and further
> enhance each of these concepts. I am not particularly enamored with
> the idea of continuous "fire" tending, I do like the notion of
> building one or two very hot, short duration fires and then walking
> away to have the mass regulate the heating needs of the space.
> As I said above creating biochar in this process is equally important
> to my purposes. I really hate the idea and throwing off the "waste"
> heat from the char production, as I also do not like the idea of
> burning up the char in a continuously fed heating appliance. It seems
> to me that it may be possible to doubly enhance the efficiencies of
> each of the these two processes by combining them.
> Does this seem desirable to any others here?
> Chas, pronounced Chaz
> If this is going to become a busy discussion I will need to set up a
> different email acct for it, this is my studio email and it gets
> enough activity on it's own. Is this a discussion that should be moved
> to a list server?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* rongretlarson at comcast.net <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>
> *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> <mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org> ; Alex English
> <mailto:english at kingston.net>
> *Cc:* chinckley at efwinslow.com <mailto:chinckley at efwinslow.com> ;
> Jote Mahern <mailto:jotemahern at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 09, 2011 11:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] High mass space heating options Re: Rocket
> Stove for the PLACE
>
> Alex: I believe the most appropriate answer to your final
> question below (/"What do you see as the advantages of combining
> these two approaches?"/) is one you gave yourself: ("...a desire
> for char ...").
>
> The beauty of high mass heaters is that they mesh well with a
> batch process - the main (only?) drawback of char-making stoves.
>
> Ron
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Alex English" <english at kingston.net
> <mailto:english at kingston.net>>
> *To: *"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> <mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>>
> *Cc: *chinckley at efwinslow.com <mailto:chinckley at efwinslow.com>,
> "Jote Mahern" <jotemahern at gmail.com <mailto:jotemahern at gmail.com>>
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 8, 2011 8:49:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Stoves] High mass space heating options Re: Rocket
> Stove for the PLACE
>
> Paul,
> The TLUD configuration has it's advantages and disadvantages, like
> any
> system. One advantage is it's steady state energy release. High mass
> heaters strive for a similar result. It seems a bit redundant to pair
> the two. Perhaps it depends on other considerations like a desire for
> char or an available particulate fuel supply.
>
> There are some folks doing fine work at the Masonry Heater
> Association.
> http://mha-net.org/
> They have done a lot on emissions, efficiency and durability.
> They have looked into Down feed rocket configurations.
> I'm not sure if they have quantified losses between firings, or
> seasonal
> efficiency.
>
> Its a simple concept with lots of technical details.
>
> What do you see as the advantages of combining these two approaches?
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> On 10/7/2011 10:02 AM, Paul S. Anderson wrote:
> > Dear Jote and all,
> >
> > Your problem (opportunity) is about space heating. And you seem
> to want
> > biomass rather than fossil or other heat sources. So you should
> consider
> > all heat-transfer options with biomass, not just latch onto
> Rocket or
> > some other technology that makes heat.
> >
> > For the climate of the Los Angeles area, why not consider a
> high-mass
> > stove? It gets hot and then radiates heat for a long time.
> >
> > A new friend of mine in Massachusetts, Chas (prononced as in Jazz)
> > Hinckley has a design for a high mass heater and we are discussing a
> > moderately large TLUD combustor to provide the heat.
> >
> > We are looking for other people who might be specifically
> interested in
> > this high mass heating option with a TLUD heat source.
> >
> > If anyone is interested, please get in touch with me and Chas to
> have
> > some off-list discussions. (Chas is not subscribed to the Stoves
> Listserv.)
> >
> > Yes, you can put a Rocket burner into a high mass device, but I
> do not
> > deal with that.
> >
> > Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> > Known to some as: Dr. TLUD Doc Professor
> > Phone (USA): 309-452-7072 SKYPE: paultlud Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
> > www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/giz2011-en-micro-gasification.pdf (Best
> ref.)
> >
> >
> > Quoting Jote Mahern <jotemahern at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> My name is Jote and I am looking for some guidance on the
> subject of
> >> building a rocket stove to heat an industrial space near 64th
> and San
> >> Pablo.
> >> This space is home to the PLACE for sustainable living (People
> Linking
> >> Art
> >> Community and Ecology). We are a nonprofit working as a community
> >> resiliency laboratory and business incubator. We opened in May.
> It is
> >> starting to get pretty cool inside. Any help/advice is
> appreciated. I am
> >> heading up the project and have experience with cob and am
> excited to
> >> put it
> >> to good use.
> >>
> >> I am hoping to locate plans and someone who is willing to go
> over them
> >> with
> >> me.
> >> If anyone is interested in joining the work party for the build out
> >> that is
> >> definitely welcome as well.
> >>
> >> Hope to hear from you soon!
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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