[Stoves] POTASIUM basics

Sun Oct 16 17:54:13 CDT 2011

Frans,

You say that

K transport is not called gasform but migration as airosol particles .smog
alike.

Does this explain the presence of black soot in the syngas?
The black soot disappears when coffee husks are gasified along with rice
hulls.
In the reactor, does K in the coffee husk react with silica in the rice hull
to form potassium silicate?
Does this explain the disappearance of the soot?

Thanks.
Paul

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Frans Peeters <peetersfrans at telenet.be>wrote:

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> Paul,****
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>    You start thinking of an analysis figure in feriliser ! *Expressed *in
> an *old way* : K2O. Not the real state !!****
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> Potasium in general : ash 10-20 % but comming from 5% ash in the biofuel
> .You end up with 10%from 5% =0,5 % from the fuel ,as exemple .****
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> Fe2O3 stays Fe2O3 but K2Obecomes fast KOH with H2O from  the air!
>  Hygroscopic at room temperature ..****
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> K into fuel wil go over KOH to K2CO3 or stronger  SO4—PO4--- Cl- F -SiO3 –
> salts if  those radicals are present ..****
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> K transport is not called gasform but migration as airosol particles .****
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> smog alike. Not K2O but KOH or KOH.xH2O under 400° C****
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> Now you got the better info for 400-800° C    (My fusion =400 ° C )****
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> But mind the KOH at your 170° C  is a flame extigwisher .. Fe2O3 is not ….
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> KOH in the flame explodes and gives your horizontal flame splitting .****
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> Suggestion :aspiration of the CO2 off gas in a fumehood  ( by 800° C ) plus
> water nebulation afterwards wil recuperate the  valuable potasium.and
> protect your lungs and nose .****
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> Frans****
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> *Van:* stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:
> stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] *Namens *Paul Olivier
> *Verzonden:* zondag 16 oktober 2011 2:17
> *Aan:* **Discussion of biomass cooking stoves**
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Stoves] why does coffee husk biochar smell like urine?**
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> Frans,
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> When subjected to temperatures greater than **350 C**,
> are you saying that K2O melts but does not vaporize?
> Are you saying that we end up with melted K2O?
> If the original coffee husks contains 36% to 38%
> then the final biochar must contain at least twice that amount.
> If this is correct, then coffee husk biochar must be quite valuable,
> not only as a soil amendment but also as a fertilizer.
> Surely this cannot be right.
>
> The coffee husk contains some sort of oily substance
> that begins to volatilize at temperatures as low as **170 C**.
> When gasified it produces a lot of black soot.
> I tried many burner designs in the last few weeks to get rid of the soot
> and to turn orange flames into blue.
> Supplying hot premixed secondary air does not effectively consume this
> soot.
> Sometimes it makes things worse.
>
> A few days ago I cheated.
> I mixed coffee husks and rice hulls in equal volumes.
> (Note that the coffee husk has a bulk density of 180 kg/m3,
> while the rice husk has a bulk density of about 100 kg/m3.)
> The flame at the base was blue and white.
> This is the first time I saw the color white in the gasification of coffee
> husks.
> As the flame rose, it split into two parts:
> one part vertical and the other part more horizontal.
> The vertical part was blue/white and the more horizontal part was orange.
> But there were no streaks of black within the orange part of the flame and
> no visible soot.
>
> The gasifier that I used looked like this:
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22013094/150%20Gasifier%20Drawings%20PDF/001%20-%20150%20Gasifier%20Assembly.pdf
> Note the burner design:
> it is a Belonio burner with two rings of burner holes, together with a
> burner housing.
> This burner design gives by far the best result.
> Secondary air is sucked up between the housing and the burner.
> It then moves from vertical to horizontal,
> and from here it hits the two rings of holes that are offset from one
> another.
>
> The best result, of course, is with 100% rice husks.
> With the current burner design, the flame is totally blue right from the
> very beginning.
>
> When I mixed rice hulls with coffee husks (half/half by volume),
> not only does most of the soot disappear,
> but the burn is quite consistent and steady from beginning to end.
>
> Paul
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> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Frans Peeters <peetersfrans at telenet.be>
> wrote:****
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> Dear Paul ,****
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>    I did many times fusions with pure KOH .****
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> At 350° C it melts and is very aggesive to dissolve ceramics Al2O3 and SiC
> powders . (Diamond recup. )****
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> It is verry verry  hygroscopic and the hydroxyde airosols with water in the
> air gives your nose sense alcalic .****
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> Your brain makes the link to urine . but not the real potasium make it .**
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> It goes not into gas  but sputers airosols has a special creep effect out
> of   a creuset .! Even after cooling .****
>
> Also a battery  and fuel cel with KOH . It creeps in a isolated conductor
> for **20 cm** after years ,and destroys manny apparati .****
>
> KOH Is colourless but Nickel gives  yellow.salts .****
>
> It does not become K2O2 becouse to destroy SiC we must ad Na2O2 to oxydize
> the carbide .****
>
> Potasium is to measure with flame spectro 440 nm purple colour in a
> hydrogen flame . (Sodium =yellow . Cupper =green Sr =red****
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> Sorry ,I drink no coffe !            But have a friend who drinks pee ….**
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> Regards****
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> Frans****
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> Christa,
>
> Do you have any idea why coffee husk biochar smells like urine?
>
> I just read that coffee husks contain 36% to 38% K2O.
> This supposedly accounts for the low melting point of its ash.
> That its ash has a low melting point makes sense to me,
> since, if I leave the fan on a bit too long after the gasification cycle is
> finished,
> I see a stony yellowish/white ash at the bottom of the reactor.
>
> How is this possible that coffee husks could have so much K2O?
> What happens to the K2O when it is subjected to heat?
> I see that K2O has a melting point > **350C**.
> If subjected to heat does it turn into K2O2 or even KO2?
> At what point does it turn into a gas?
>
> Does the presence of K2O account for its urine smell?
> What does this urine smell mean with regard to the value of coffee husk
> biochar?
> Would coffee husk biochar be rich in potassium?
>
> Paul
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