[Stoves] [biochar-policy] Re: Stoves

[rongretlarson at comcast.net]

Andrew etal 

I know of Jock's response just now, and am avoiding it as I don't think there is a great difference here. I think Jock is perfectly comfortable with village level specialization - which you (and many of us) are favoring - when feasible. 

See few inserts below. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew C. Parker" <acparker at xmission.com> 
To: biochar-policy at yahoogroups.com, "clement doyer" <cdoyer at yahoo.com>, rongretlarson at comcast.net, "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org> 
Cc: "Jock" <jg45 at mac.com>, "Nathaniel Mulcahy" <worldstove at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 5:19:52 PM 
Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar-policy] Re: Stoves 

On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:23:41 -0600, <rongretlarson at comcast.net> wrote: 

> I find the idea that stoves must only be sold, and that all stoves must 
> include a profit rent, to be a true perversion. 

[RWL: I just want it clear that the two lines above are from Jock - not me, as might be inferred if read quickly]. 

[from Andrew: Jock, That is fine utopian philosophizing, but realistically, is everyone 
supposed to build their own improved stove? Specialization exists even at 
the village level. Is the village stovemaker supposed to build stoves for 
free? 
[RWL: I urge Andrew (and others) to look at the business model of WorldStove (Nat receiving this). Nat has figured out a nice barter system - where a (relatively) expensive (but long-lived,clean, and efficient) stove is paid off in months (not years) with little or no up front expense by the user. This is done with local assembly and continual support. 
So, there are more than the self-construction and import business models on the table. Nat has figured out the carbon credit angle as well.] 

Profit is payment to the risk taker (the entrepreneur, the investor), just 
as one pays for labor, goods or money. How is that a perversion? 
[RWL: It is not - and the above (barter, free trial, carbon credit) business approach is available to other risk takers (entrepreneurs and investors) . ] Ron 
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