[Stoves] harsh experience with charcoal making in Turkey with beehieve kilns

[scda2]

I thing the problem of Erkan was of technical nature?
Not experienced  with traditional carbonization he straightly jumped 
into brick kiln (bee hieve) carbonization..
i think a person who can manage an  arduous earth mound kiln, will also 
manage improved carbonization?
chris


Am 01.03.2012 15:50, schrieb George Wood:
> Very sorry for this guy, but you've got to do "proof of concept" and 
> get 'buy-in' from the villagers (Your customers!) before emabarking on 
> a full scale operation. I'm going to be working on a total project 
> budget of 10,000 - 15,000 USD (and it's money I really cannot afford 
> to lose)
>
> Plan! Plan! Plan! and then Research! and then check what is actually 
> wanted. Today, I had the idea of checking what cooking height the 
> villagers want. Is squatting when cooking the preferred style or would 
> they prefer to stand up? That's worth a survey, as if we provide 
> something that does not fit with the cooking preference, it will never 
> be accepted.
>
> George
>
> > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 13:24:33 +0100
> > From: scda2 at t-online.de
> > To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> > Subject: [Stoves] harsh experience with charcoal making in Turkey 
> with beehieve kilns
> >
> > Some harsh experience on charcoal making
> > Erkan was going to try the "adam-retorts", but then preferred
> > to invest in 6 beehive kilns in Turkey
> > .....
> >
> > Dear Chris,
> > How are you? and your famıly,ı hope everythıng ıs ok on the way,,
> >
> > Dear frıend I quıt, I gave up, ı am fınıshed,
> > I see that charcoal makıng ıs not for me, I spent 2 years ın villages
> > near the oak forrests
> > ı sleping ın tents, fıght with mosquıdos, rats and all the pests, 
> snakes,
> > and that ever lıvıng ın nature, ı even broke my pelvıs bone,
> > in an accıdent fell on from the top of my beehıve kılns 4.5 m hıgh,
> > thanks God ım stıll alıve,
> > and ı lost about 40 000 usa dollars and ım fınıshed my frıend,
> > now ım back ın ıstanbul with my famıly,
> >
> > I am stıll ın charcoal bussınes, hopfully next week ıll be at Egypt for
> > to make new contacts for Charcoal,
> > ı have to shıp 40 ft contaıner full of ıt to a custumer ın Turkey,
> > so my frıend thıs ıs the end of my charcoal makıng dream,
> > gettıng up to % 60 of oak wood wwhıch ıs impossıble
> > wishing you all the best
> >
> > Erkan
> >
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